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Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 5, 2010 18:47:20 GMT -5
In the past i have looked into the RST chuck quinton site and he seems really clued up, along with biomechanics that seem to make a lot of sense regarding the body moving in more efficient ways. How do you rate his swing jeff and what do you think on his principles regarding his problems with a body/pivot driven golfswing ? You may not have seen or heard his views but id be interested to see what you made of it and him. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4QFP4-ZaA
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 5, 2010 19:56:22 GMT -5
I think that CQ has a superb golf swing. World-class quality.
I used to be very active in his golf forum when he started his rotary swing website about 5 years ago. I think that he has gone "off the deep end" in recent years as he embarked on a modification of his simply rotary swing style - the modification being based on his "new" understanding of biomechanical concepts, which I think are wrong-headed.
Jeff.
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Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 5, 2010 20:18:40 GMT -5
Jeff,
Agreed, very good action.
What i found very interesting was the fact that his build changed so drastically over that time period. He is in fantastic shape now, top class.
What i find interesting is how good he was using original swing a few years back with a much smaller build, when he focused much more on bio mechanics his build increased dramtically. I wonder if he had to increase his strength in order to maintain distance using his updated swing.
Dont get me wrong, im not suggesting his game suffered but i wonder if his old body driven swing hit the ball alot further than his new swing,had he kept the same build. Guess we will never know now but his bodyshape is like night and day.
Would you see it a possibility that his old swing was more powerful and he needed to increase muscle mass to show an improvement in his game necessary to promote his bio mechanical research and updated swing programme ?
Anyone reading this thinking im being negative towards chuck or his forum is reading it wrong, im talking purely regarding the power behind his original swing and current one. Him,his forum and his golf swing are pretty much as good as it gets in my view.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 5, 2010 20:43:08 GMT -5
Simon,
I don't know the answer to your question as to why he has taken up body building. I haven't kept up with CQ's changes in recent years
One doesn't have to have "big" muscles to hit the ball a long way - think of Jamie Sadlowski.
Jeff.
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Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 6, 2010 9:33:33 GMT -5
Thats what I was trying to say, I wonder if the muscle mass increase was necessary to maintain his swing power when he changed his swing.
I was interested to know whether his origianl lower body driven swing was more powerful than the bio mechanically more efficient swing he currently uses.
I know his swing speed has increased but that could easily be down to his increase in muscle mass, although i realise this is not necessity for power efficiency.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 6, 2010 10:01:23 GMT -5
What is more biomechanically efficient about his present swing?
Jeff.
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Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 6, 2010 15:40:24 GMT -5
He states that some of the main changes in the way he uses his body, if you got a few mins watch the video below, its quite interesting to me as he states all changes are to use the body more efficinetly according ti bio mechanists. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4QFP4-ZaAOn his forum he also now says he has a more hitting action as a result of the uprated bio mechanical swing.
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Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 6, 2010 15:44:24 GMT -5
He states that some of the main changes in the way he uses his body, if you got a few mins watch the video below, its quite interesting to me as he states all changes are to use the body more efficinetly according ti bio mechanists. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4QFP4-ZaAOn his forum he also now says he has a more hitting action as a result of the uprated bio mechanical swing. My very brief opinion is he is talking about something you mention being the reactive pivot coupled with more shoulder and right arm thrust and not a active pivot.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 6, 2010 16:04:17 GMT -5
Simon,
I spent 5 minutes wasting my time watching CQ's propaganda video.
I have little tolerance for his audacious claims that his RT2 swing model is proven to be the "best" model because it is based on "true" anatomy/biomechanics/mechanics.
I think that CQ would improve his knowledge of sound golf swing mechanics/biomechanics a lot if he learnt TGM mechanics, and its related biomechanical concepts.
Jeff.
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Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 6, 2010 17:23:39 GMT -5
Sorry jeff, didnt mean to waste your time. He does go into further detail but didnt want to give you a large list of videos.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 6, 2010 18:12:44 GMT -5
So is proof his opinion or does he have anything to back it up. I have bias against him for some spamming he took part in on various peoples YouTube channels. I would not make a good judge.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 6, 2010 19:15:26 GMT -5
Simon,
I joined CQ's website again about 6 months ago and I then spent about 3-4 hours reading his latest ideas on golf swing biomechanics. I canceled my membership within 24 hours. CQ called me up to ask why I would cancel my membership within <24 hours. We then had a 1-2 conversation about golf swing biomechanics. We operate in different mental universes when it comes to golf swing biomechanics - because we couldn't agree on anything.
Greg - here is an example where CQ talks about the takeaway.
He talks about only one optimum way. That's typical of his arrogance.
Note that he states that a retraction of the right scapula of a few inches during the backswing causes the left shoulder to rotate backwards. That's nonsense!
The right scapula can move across the back, independently of the torso's rotation in space. The retraction of the right scapula cannot move the torso, and cause the torso to rotate. It takes torso musculature to rotate the torso. I cannot relate to a golf instructor who uses that type of biomechanical reasoning.
He also states that the movement of the right scapula toward the target (leftwards) causes the club to move in the opposite direction (rightwards). I cannot accept that type of logical reasoning. I think that the club moves away from the target, because the left hand moves away from the target, and the left hand moves away from the target because the left shoulder socket moves away from the target due to a rotation of the upper torso, combined with a certain amount of left upper arm adduction that occurs at the same time.
CQ and I can look at the same biomechanical movements (that occur during the takeaway) and posit totally different cause-and-effect relationships.
Each forum member can independently decide which explanation makes sense to him.
Jeff.
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Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 7, 2010 11:44:31 GMT -5
Jeff,
Thank you so much for that analysis, i actually stumbled on his forum as i found your site few months ago, and was trying to soak up as much info as i can. The fact that your site was free and his site wasnt made question his motives and science. Everything he said is well delivered and someone desperate to make progress could justify spending money on membership. I got no problem making a living out of it i just questioned whether his passion behind his info was like yours, you obviously greatly enjoy what you do and would only give your very best opinion, thats why i trust your opinions 100%. Anyone can be wrong or change views but i genuinely believe your knowledge is key to making me a scratch golfer one day. Keep up the fantastic work.
Noticed the member number are creeping up..........wonder why.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 7, 2010 12:07:51 GMT -5
Simon,
The fact that CQ is making a financial living from his golf website doesn't mean that one should suspect that he is being insincere in his understanding/description of golf swing biomechanics. I automatically presume that he sincerely believes in his biomechanical explanations. I simply happen to disagree with his biomechanical explanations.
Jeff.
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Post by vsg01 on Dec 19, 2010 7:11:16 GMT -5
Jeff,
I have been viewing Wayne DeFrancesco's swing analysis of touring pro's from his web site, and I have been struck by the significant lowering of the head, during the down swing, in most, if not all, of the pro's that he has analyzed. Do you have any thoughts as to the bio mechanical significance of this move?
Thanks
Val
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