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Post by richie3jack on Apr 12, 2011 15:23:42 GMT -5
I guess I'm the only one, but when I look at that McNary swing I'm not thinking "Wow, what a dynamic golf swing!". IMO it couldnt hardly be any less dynamic. Looks like Snead here is hitting an iron similar to what McNary is hitting. I'm not saying the mechanics are identical, but as far as motion, I don't see Snead being more dynamic or noticeably more dynamic in this swing with a 6-iron. 3JACK
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Post by natep on Apr 12, 2011 15:31:31 GMT -5
Perhaps Snead is not much more dynamic than McNary in that clip. It would be better if we had a face on clip of Snead as we do McNary. Snead is also almost a senior citizen in that video.
I'd be willing to bet that Snead hit the ball a hell of a lot longer than McNary off the tee and just in general. I'd be interested to see a swing of McNary where he's really going after it. IMO if he swings a driver the same way he's swinging that iron (keeping weight on front foot and sliding in front of the ball) it's not going anywhere.
Snead could hit it 300+ even back in the day.
I dont think that McNary's swing is anywhere near as dynamic as Snead's.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 12, 2011 16:28:58 GMT -5
I don't think he is nearly as long as Snead, and part of it might be he is much smaller, but I have not seen him hit balls in person. I love his swing though.
Only MORAD swing with a driver I could find. He has a SnT pattern but even he will tell you he is a MORAD swing most of the time.
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Post by natep on Apr 12, 2011 16:39:21 GMT -5
Cool, Thanks.
He looks like he keeps his weight mostly left but he doesnt appear to slide forward as much with the driver. Sounds like he hit it ok.
I think he could get another 30-50 yards out of his driver with a Snead-like windup behind the ball though.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 12, 2011 16:43:00 GMT -5
I started thinking about this, what makes a swing dynamic.
Here is a friend, I guarantee you he out hits 99% of golfers.
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Post by natep on Apr 12, 2011 16:45:16 GMT -5
How far is he hitting what?
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 12, 2011 17:16:30 GMT -5
How far is he hitting what? 9 iron, between 150-160. He hits it a very long way, 5 irons well over 200 yards. Here is a longer club, like a 6 iron.
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Post by natep on Apr 12, 2011 17:20:34 GMT -5
Yeah, he hits it longer than I wouldve guessed. As to your question, I dont know what makes a swing dynamic, but I know it when I see it.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 12, 2011 17:46:44 GMT -5
Greg,
WOW...this guy has a swing to envy for sure!
Rand
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Post by natep on Apr 12, 2011 19:27:26 GMT -5
I thought about this for a little while now.
When I hear someone say "Wow, what a dynamic golf swing!", I expect to see an impressive display of athleticism. No S&T swing will ever be dynamic in my view because the swing is designed to remove athleticism from the golf swing by staying on the left side and staying "stacked". Just because some hacker who cant put the club on the ball might do better without a weight shift, it's just a crutch and it by no means means that it's a superior way to swing. You'll never see a MLB pitcher who leaves his weight on his front foot, or a MLB batter. Youll never see any NFL quarterbacks who throw flat footed. And if you ever did, I doubt if anyone would be impressed with the results. IMO it's the same with a golf swing.
Snead's swing is poetry in motion, with the performance and results to back it up. The S&T swing is not even in the same league. Certainly not going to "revolutionize" the game. JMO.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 12, 2011 20:10:33 GMT -5
natep,
Can't argue with your reasoning at all. Seems logical to me.
Rand
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 12, 2011 20:22:58 GMT -5
I thought about this for a little while now. When I hear someone say "Wow, what a dynamic golf swing!", I expect to see an impressive display of athleticism. No S&T swing will ever be dynamic in my view because the swing is designed to remove athleticism from the golf swing by staying on the left side and staying "stacked". Just because some hacker who cant put the club on the ball might do better without a weight shift, it's just a crutch and it by no means means that it's a superior way to swing. You'll never see a MLB pitcher who leaves his weight on his front foot, or a MLB batter. Youll never see any NFL quarterbacks who throw flat footed. And if you ever did, I doubt if anyone would be impressed with the results. IMO it's the same with a golf swing. Snead's swing is poetry in motion, with the performance and results to back it up. The S&T swing is not even in the same league. Certainly not going to "revolutionize" the game. JMO. Its all about shooting the scores, if my swing is not that dynamic and shoot 66, well so be it. I have to find the best way to hit it far enough and straight enough.
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Post by natep on Apr 12, 2011 20:29:12 GMT -5
Yes, certainly.
I'm not saying that S&T wont be the best swing for some people, but I think it's unreasonable to imply that it's as high performance as a swing like Snead's.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 12, 2011 22:14:33 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote regarding Mike McNary's driver swing - :"Only MORAD swing with a driver I could find. He has a SnT pattern but even he will tell you he is a MORAD swing most of the time."
I don't think that he is manifesting a S&T pattern. I think that he is using a rightwards-centralised swing action and specifically he is using a rotary pelvic action. There is no "butt-tuck-under-the-spine " left-lateral pelvic thrust action in his driver swing.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 12, 2011 22:17:32 GMT -5
Greg, You wrote regarding Mike McNary's driver swing - :"Only MORAD swing with a driver I could find. He has a SnT pattern but even he will tell you he is a MORAD swing most of the time." I don't think that he is manifesting a S&T pattern. I think that he is using a rightwards-centralised swing action and specifically he is using a rotary pelvic action. There is no "butt-tuck-under-the-spine " left-lateral pelvic thrust action in his driver swing. Jeff. I agree, those are two distinct differences IMO between the patterns, MORAD is slightly right of center (though still would conform to TGM centered pivot), but there is a slight "lean" in the transition. There is no butt tuck but a squat. More pelvis pushing up though in MORAD compared to a BM type pattern.
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