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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 20, 2011 0:08:27 GMT -5
Consider this GolfWRX.com debate on David Toms' recent good performance.
www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/476877-david-tomsThe debate is focused on whether Geoff Jones or BM is responsible for David Tom's recent good performance. That argument assumes that David Toms has made recent swing changes under the influence of a golf instructor. Here is David Toms' recent swing. Is he doing "something" new from a swing mechanics/biomechanics perspective that is beneficial? What is that 'something"? Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on May 20, 2011 0:27:07 GMT -5
He has always swung left but it sure seems like he is swinging even more left than I can ever remember, but I dont have the energy to pull and old swing and really look. The camera angles were all terrible as well but it was cool someone posted the video.
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Post by gmbtempe on May 20, 2011 0:27:51 GMT -5
Nothing in that swing other than the release looks like GJ teaching, there is no connection in the backswing, no reverse k setup, no early set of the wrists.
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Post by natep on May 20, 2011 1:20:29 GMT -5
I think it's nearly impossible to know just from observing video. I know I have often made tweaks to my own swing that feel completely different and result in significantly different ballflights and they are virtually identical on video. It's also impossible to determine various torques, ground forces, pressure changes, etc. I'm sure BM has helped him though.
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Post by gmbtempe on May 20, 2011 1:25:47 GMT -5
I think it's nearly impossible to know just from observing video. I know I have often made tweaks to my own swing that feel completely different and result in significantly different ballflights and they are virtually identical on video. It's also impossible to determine various torques, ground forces, pressure changes, etc. I'm sure BM has helped him though. It was casual viewing but his swing looked a little more free in the motion.
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Post by namj on May 20, 2011 1:29:19 GMT -5
I think David Toms is responsible for his good performance.
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Post by natep on May 20, 2011 1:32:38 GMT -5
I think it's nearly impossible to know just from observing video. I know I have often made tweaks to my own swing that feel completely different and result in significantly different ballflights and they are virtually identical on video. It's also impossible to determine various torques, ground forces, pressure changes, etc. I'm sure BM has helped him though. It was casual viewing but his swing looked a little more free in the motion. Yeah, I havent really seen enough of his swings lately to be able to make a good judgement, but it's certainly possible that there are noticeable differences. I'm not sure what they are though.
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Post by gmbtempe on May 20, 2011 1:40:05 GMT -5
I think David Toms is responsible for his good performance. of course
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Post by richie3jack on May 20, 2011 8:30:00 GMT -5
Iteachgolf said this on my forum:
I trust iteach's word.
That's why I wanted some proof of Toms and SliceFixer working together since mid February. Trying to say the 'proof is in the swing' is a poor argument. Particularly when the address positions, grip, etc. do not resemble a SliceFixer style swing anyway.
Either way, I've also spoke to two other anonymous sources who have seen Brian and Toms working together and have assumed that Brian is Toms' teacher. One source is another teaching instructor, the other is an individual who works for the PGA Tour. They know what Brian looks like. However, I don't think they know what Geoff Jones looks like (Brian's Web site has given him facial recognition).
So with that, the burden of proof is now on siteseer2 on my forum. Like I said, I really don't care either way, but I know most golfers on my forum feel differently and want to know.
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 20, 2011 9:13:30 GMT -5
It would seem to me that no single person can identify "something" different that DT is doing, which could be causally-related to some golf instructional advice. It is theoretically possible that he is simply going through a "good" ball-striking and "good" scoring phase using his same swing, which has always been excellent.
Jeff.
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Post by richie3jack on May 20, 2011 10:23:35 GMT -5
I know Brian can show some things if he wanted to because he has Toms' Trackman #'s from February and has his current Trackman #'s. According to Brian, Toms' Trackman #'s have improved substantially in that time.
The reason why somebody like myself cannot identify what is different is the lack of quality footage and being able to pinpoint swings that occured when Toms was working with Geoff Jones and how long they were working together vs. swings that occured with Toms working with Brian.
It would be much easier if they could show Toms' swing with Jones right before they started working together, then a month after working together, then 3 months, etc. Then the same with Brian.
But, we don't have that nor do we have good, clear footage.
3JACK
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Post by bullet on May 20, 2011 10:27:50 GMT -5
seems like some need to get recognition
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