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Post by richie3jack on Aug 6, 2012 7:51:09 GMT -5
3jack, You wrote-: "Could be a simple closed faces at address (my dad's clubface is super-closed at address and he typically hits fade, but every once in a while he'll hit a snap hook." His closed clubface at address is obviously not causally responsible for a snap-hook if he habitually hits a fade shot, and only rarely hits a snap-hook. There must be some other biomechanical factor in play on those rare occasions when he hits a snap-hook. When my dad hits a snap hook, almost on cue he gets a little laid off at p4. I can just about predict that shot if I stand behind him. My belief is that he would not hit a snap hook in that situation if his clubface was not so closed at address because the clubface would not be as closed at impact. The difficulty is that his typical ball flight is a fade and he hits the driver pretty well, probably his 2nd best club in his bag behind his 6-iron. So I haven't talked to this with him in part because he generally does a good job of returning the clubface to where he wants it at impact. So if I were to square up his driver face at address, that may rid him of the snap hooks, but also ruin his 'stock shot' for a while. We haven't had much time to play golf with each other lately. I think down the road I'll try to experiment with getting him to not close it so much at address. He does not do it with any other club. 3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Aug 6, 2012 8:02:20 GMT -5
3jack,
I don't dispute the fact that a closed clubface at address will predispose to a closed clubface at impact, but you stated that your Dad's habitual shot is a fade, which means that he is habitually doing "something" biomechanically in his swing action to cause the clubface to be more open at impact. Then, he must be doing "something" differently in his infrequent snap-hooked shots, and that "something" represents the relevant causal factor.
Jeff.
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Post by richie3jack on Aug 6, 2012 10:00:25 GMT -5
Yes, I understand that fine.
I mentioned that on cue, he gets a little laid off at the top when he snap hooks it. I tend to think that he probably over-rotates the LAFW clockwise (his perspective) too much when he gets a little laid off. I also believe if his face was not so closed, he probably would not have a snap hook when he gets laid off. But, that may cause a different set of problems of his normal shot now slicing.
I think you may need some perspective on just how closed his face with the driver is at impact. It's so closed that the only part of the sole of the club that is touching the ground is that part right under the face.
So it's rather an extreme closing of the clubface.
My guess is that decades of slicing the driver his brain sort of figured out that he needs to close the face and that will help cut down the size of his slice and get the ball starting left and fade back towards the target. And that when he gets laid off at the top, he cannot quite figure out how to re-route the club on the downswing so where the face is not so closed at impact.
3JACK
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