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Post by tomdavis76 on Aug 11, 2012 23:17:16 GMT -5
I don't feel a need to respond to any of Jeffy's comments, which (to my mind) are a reflection of his lack of understanding of TGM mechanics and golf biomechanics. I am quite happy to have his expressed opinions in juxtaposition with my expressed opinions. I will not also respond to his demeaning comment about JE's swing action being "clown-like" - even though I personally believe that JE has a superb golf swing. Jeff. Works for me!
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Post by richie3jack on Aug 12, 2012 19:05:05 GMT -5
3jack, What is "clownish" about JE's swing in that video? Jeff. In the ABS Superslotting video it looks like he's purposely trying to over-exaggerate getting the club in the 'slot' or the '4:30 line' as he calls it. Hi lead arm plane at p4 is very flat with a noticeably laid off club position and the face is almost pointing directly up at the sky. Then he goes thru impact with both knees very bent and it looks like that is a byproduct by over-exagerrating the motion because he's trying to get the shaft plane ridiculously flat and by overdoing that, he's very much in flexion thru impact. To me the video I showed of him swinging on a golf hole looks completely different and more like a swing that a good ballstriker would use. 3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Aug 12, 2012 23:09:54 GMT -5
3jack,
I agree that JE is trying to get his clubshaft path to be inordinately shallow, but that is part-and-parcel of his ABS swing philosophy. Although I don't sympathize with his "firm belief" in the "intrinsic value" of a very shallow clubshaft path, I am not aware that his ball-striking is sub-optimum as a result of his biomechanical choices. Whether I agree, or don't agree, with his ABS slotting philosophy, I would never think of labeling his swing action as being "clownish" - especially if it produces great ball-striking results (which many personal observers have frequently asserted).
Jeff.
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Post by richie3jack on Aug 13, 2012 12:30:19 GMT -5
I don't believe the super slotting video would produce nearly as good of results as the swing of his from the Mare Island video. It just appears to me that he is trying to exaggerate the motion. In some circles it's called 'spectruming out.' Going to one extreme purposely in hopes that when you take your 'real swing' you'll be able to progress to where you want.
That's why the super slotting video looks clownish to me. But, it may very well be for a reason. The Mare Island video, I think his swing is excellent in that one.
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Aug 13, 2012 16:25:15 GMT -5
3jack,
Have you any "evidence" that JE is exaggerating his ABS swing action in that video, and have you any "evidence" that it doesn't produce great ball-striking results? You are free to not like his ABS-swing style, but you are seemingly implying that his swing style choice is so biomechanically inefficient that it can be considered to be "clownish". I have not heard that JE is swinging worse today, and hitting the ball worse today, than a few years ago - when he first started posting online.
Jeff.
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Post by richie3jack on Aug 14, 2012 7:59:35 GMT -5
Jeff, you stated it yourself with:
"I agree that JE is trying to get his clubshaft path to be inordinately shallow"
I think the super slotting video is him try to exaggerate a motion for effect. Exaggerate, inordinately, etc...you can call it clownish if you want to.
Neither of us have evidence as towards the quality of his ballstriking using that swing in his Super Slotting vidoe.. So if you want to use that line of thinking, neither of us can say one way or another.
I just know that the super slotting video is drastically different from his video of his swing at Mare Island, which IIRC< was right after he won the TRGA event in Las Vegas by 7-strokes.
3JACK
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