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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 19, 2011 10:50:19 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote-: "That's not the way some people describe a pull, some would say its any shot that starts left of the stance line, not the plane line."
So, when Ben Hogan adopted a closed stance for his driver swing and hit the ball straight toward the target, then those people would label that a pull.
Not me - I label the ball's flight according to the ball's motion in space relative to the target, without knowing the golfer's stance line or body alignment and/or the golfers' plane line, which is a mental image known only to the golfer.
None of the ball flight diagrams - whether old or new - refer to the golfer's stance/body line or plane line.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 19, 2011 11:04:50 GMT -5
Well when I was playing with a closed stance a few weeks ago and the ball was starting right on my plane line people were saying it was a pull, I said it was a straight shot. We definitely agree on this one.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Feb 19, 2011 11:36:52 GMT -5
Greg,
Are you talking about your swing on video? Based on the shot you are trying to play? Not sure I am clear about: "I relate everything to the plane line and can care less about stance-shoulder line.
Rand
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 19, 2011 11:42:19 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote-: "Well when I was playing with a closed stance a few weeks ago and the ball was starting right on my plane line people were saying it was a pull, I said it was a straight shot."
You didn't mention the orientation of the target line in your statement. It can only be straight shot if the ball went straight at the target.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 19, 2011 13:38:08 GMT -5
Greg, You wrote-: "Well when I was playing with a closed stance a few weeks ago and the ball was starting right on my plane line people were saying it was a pull, I said it was a straight shot." You didn't mention the orientation of the target line in your statement. It can only be straight shot if the ball went straight at the target. Jeff. Yes I agree
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 19, 2011 13:40:57 GMT -5
Greg, Are you talking about your swing on video? Based on the shot you are trying to play? Not sure I am clear about: "I relate everything to the plane line and can care less about stance-shoulder line. Rand Yes, I can play with closed stance and somewhat closed shoulders and hit a completely straight shot at my target that has very little curve. This is because the plane line is move to the left during the swing and I am not swinging along my stance line. Ball starts where the face points (at my target) and I would imagine trackman would say the plane line is just a fraction left as I am hitting down on an iron (or maybe that says zero because its been "zeroe'd out". Bottom line is its not a pull because it starts at my target line.
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Post by teeitup on Feb 19, 2011 14:04:13 GMT -5
Greg, Are you talking about your swing on video? Based on the shot you are trying to play? Not sure I am clear about: "I relate everything to the plane line and can care less about stance-shoulder line. Rand Yes, I can play with closed stance and somewhat closed shoulders and hit a completely straight shot at my target that has very little curve. This is because the plane line is move to the left during the swing and I am not swinging along my stance line. Ball starts where the face points (at my target) and I would imagine trackman would say the plane line is just a fraction left as I am hitting down on an iron (or maybe that says zero because its been "zeroe'd out". Bottom line is its not a pull because it starts at my target line. Yea!
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 19, 2011 17:37:57 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote-: "This is because the plane line is move to the left during the swing and I am not swinging along my stance line. Ball starts where the face points (at my target) and I would imagine trackman would say the plane line is just a fraction left as I am hitting down on an iron (or maybe that says zero because its been "zeroe'd out"."
You state that are moving the plane line left to hit a straight shot. That is true, but the leftward movement of the plane line is presumably very small eg. 3 degrees left when hitting 5 degrees down with an 8-iron. That is equivalent to 1/2 of a one minute degree on a clockface that has degree-marks for 60 individual minutes.
Jeff.
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