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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 13:43:32 GMT -5
Post by natep on Dec 3, 2010 13:43:32 GMT -5
Jeff, we have discussed the LAFW before and I am curious as to exactly how long you believe it should remain intact after impact. Is it your opinion that it would be intact when the shaft is parallel to the target line after impact, or would it lose it's integrity before then?
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 13:55:18 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 3, 2010 13:55:18 GMT -5
Natep, I think that the FLW should preferably remain intact until the end of the followthrough. However, many skilled golfers have no difficulty keeping it intact until the 4th parallel (P8 position) if they pivot well through the followthrough/finish and use a HH action. I demonstrate this scenario in great visual detail in my first Q&A video session. www.ustream.tv/recorded/10830713Jeff.
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 14:00:04 GMT -5
Post by natep on Dec 3, 2010 14:00:04 GMT -5
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 14:16:00 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 3, 2010 14:16:00 GMT -5
Natep, That photo of TW shows a disrupted LAFW because his clubshaft has traveled too fast relative to his rotating torso/arms. That doesn't always happen to Tiger. It mainly happens in his driver swing and far less frequently in his mid/short iron swings. This is my ideal scenario. Note that Jack Nicklaus keeps his LW flat to well beyond the P8 position. That requires a very coordinated pivot/arm/clubshaft rotation during the followthorugh/finish phase of the swing. Many professional golfers, including TW, achieve that "desired" goal a lot of the time. Although its a "desirable" goal, it is not imperative - because the FLW only really needs to be flat at impact. Jeff.
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 14:19:07 GMT -5
Post by natep on Dec 3, 2010 14:19:07 GMT -5
Ok. Congrats on the forum.
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 14:26:31 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 3, 2010 14:26:31 GMT -5
Natep,
You need to thank Rand for starting the forum. I had no personal involvement. He simply let me know that he was going to set it up, and I then registered as a forum member.
Jeff.
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 14:29:07 GMT -5
Post by aimsmithgolf on Dec 3, 2010 14:29:07 GMT -5
Ok. Congrats on the forum. Thanks to all and welcome aboard. Just getting things setup as of yesterday. Tons to add.. Stay tuned in. Rand
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 15:16:33 GMT -5
Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 3, 2010 15:16:33 GMT -5
Jeff, if a player that trys to hit a fade by holding off in the follow through mean the LFW say intact even longer ?
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 17:32:15 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 3, 2010 17:32:15 GMT -5
Simon,
I cannot think of why the FLW should remain intact for longer - if one uses AH and a hold-off action - unless the hold-off action is prolonged. What definitely causes the left wrist to bend after the followthrough is the use of a finish swivel action. The earlier the finish swivel action - the earlier the left wrist will bend. Jack Nicklaus didn't use a finish swivel action in that posted swing - so he can keep the left wrist flatter for longer.
One can also hit a push-draw without using a finish swivel action.
See - this Charlie Hoffmann video.
Note how long he maintains a FLW post-impact.
Jeff.
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FLW
Dec 3, 2010 19:22:32 GMT -5
Post by youngsiwalker on Dec 3, 2010 19:22:32 GMT -5
very good illustration
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FLW
Dec 9, 2010 10:13:38 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 9, 2010 10:13:38 GMT -5
Consider this BM-forum thread. www.brianmanzella.com/forum/golfing-discussions/14297-when-does-flat-left-wrist-stop-being-flat-manzella-video-answer-blog-13.htmlBrian wrote-: "I teach MOST golfers to keep their left worst flat to the finish. These majority of these golfers are NOT tournament players. Average golfers are throw, scoop, flipping the heck out of it, and they are reverse-rotating the left arm wedge, the shaft about itself, and the club comes out of their hands. A full roll, limited wedge rotation, flat left wrist pattern attempt works best for these players. A younger golfer, like Lindsay Gahm, with an anti-flip teacher like me, might develop a swing like hers where the left wrist stays flat without restricting the full release of the power generating angles. But if you want to help a bunch of different kinds of swinging young juniors, college golfers, mini-tourists, and pro tour players, you'd better leave a LOT of bending left wrist post impacter the HELL alone. That should be that. But it won't be." He states that LG can maintain a FLW post-impact without restricting the release of the power generating angles. Then, he states that a golf instructor must leave a "LOT of bending left wrist post impacter the HELL alone". Why? What is it about that particular sub-group of golfers, who bend their FLW post-impact, that is so desirable, that a golf instructor must not attempt to change that pattern - when he simultaneously recommends teaching most golfers to keep a FLW until the finish. Jeff.
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Dec 9, 2010 14:16:43 GMT -5
Post by natep on Dec 9, 2010 14:16:43 GMT -5
Jeff,
"Swinging young juniors, college golfers, mini-tourists, and pro tour players" and anyone else looking to play competitive golf needs distance to be competitive, and cannot afford to bunt the ball around the course.
Why would you want to impose some meaningless requirement on a good player at the risk of ruining him/her?
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FLW
Dec 9, 2010 23:36:56 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 9, 2010 23:36:56 GMT -5
"Meaningless"?
I will not waste my time answering that loaded question.
Jeff.
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FLW
Dec 10, 2010 2:33:18 GMT -5
Post by natep on Dec 10, 2010 2:33:18 GMT -5
In my opinion what the left wrist does after the ball is gone is meaningless.
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FLW
Dec 10, 2010 10:27:25 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 10, 2010 10:27:25 GMT -5
So, if the left wrist supinates groundwards immediately after impact, you would state that it is meaningless - because it happens after impact.
I think differently - because I believe that it is biomechanically impossible to supinate the LW immediately post-impact without the golfer having done "something" differently pre-impact to actuate that post-impact phenomenon. What happens to the left wrist post-impact is the end-result of the nature of the biomechanical actions that occur pre-impact. Nothing simply happens to the left wrist post-impact by pure chance!
Jeff.
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