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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 10, 2011 13:16:36 GMT -5
Here is a comparison of 3jack's latest swing (February 2011) versus his previous swing (May 2010)
February 2011
May 2010
I think that his old swing was much more fluid/smooth and natural - from a biomechanical perspective. In his present swing, he looks like he is forcing himself to follow the Foley/S&T centralised pivot model, that requires a more assertive downswing pelvic motion in order to acquire the requisite degree of secondary axis tilt at impact.
3jack may argue that he is getting better, and more consistent, ball flight with his latest swing, but I am not convinced that he couldn't get the same results if he perfected his old swing style (which had a more natural Hoganesque quality).
Jeff.
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 10, 2011 13:46:21 GMT -5
I disagree with your assertions, but I'm curious to hear from more people as to their thoughts and why. The obvious should be noted though, that one video is in real time motion, the other in slow-motion.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 14:33:08 GMT -5
I am probably biased because I am trying to reach some of the same goals as Richie (better lag at P6, hands further ahead, head not moving back, less axis tilt). Here are two comparative pics though. old new
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 14:41:05 GMT -5
Just for giggles I did a comp photo of mine from a year ago, some striking changes though my pivot motion is much different then R3J's, but like I mentioned we had some of the same issues (though he is a good player, I hack it around).
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 10, 2011 14:42:10 GMT -5
Greg,
Why should your head move back just because you get secondary axis tilt secondary to the forward motion of the pelvis, and therefore forward motion of the lumbar spine? If the head moves back, then one would have a "hanging back" problem, which didn't actually happen in 3jack's May 2010 swing.
3jack has far less secondary axis tilt in his present swing - why is that deemed to be advantageous?
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 14:48:45 GMT -5
Greg, Why should your head move back just because you get secondary axis tilt secondary to the forward motion of the pelvis, and therefore forward motion of the lumbar spine? If the head moves back, then one would have a "hanging back" problem, which didn't actually happen in 3jack's May 2010 swing. 3jack has virtually no secondary axis tilt in his present swing - why is that deemed to be advantageous? Jeff. Whatever Jeff, all axis tilt is supposed to happen from P6 to P7. How you can say he has none is well beyond my comprehension.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Feb 10, 2011 14:49:05 GMT -5
Greg,
What are those changes...? I don't see them clearly.
Rand
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 14:50:15 GMT -5
You can't shift the baseline to the left and add axis tilt from P5 to P6.
We know you don't like shifting the baseline during the swing, no need to discuss it again.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 14:51:50 GMT -5
Greg, What are those changes...? I don't see them clearly. Rand The biggest thing in RJ's swing is head is not translating back with large axis tilt. Eye and head tilts are huge. I would imagine if you took a DTL you would see a baseline well out to the right in the old one and one well to the left, at worst in line with the new.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 14:55:22 GMT -5
Very similar stuff at P6 from Baddley and the swing that Jeff likes, how they get there is different but the end result is similar.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 10, 2011 14:55:34 GMT -5
Greg, I modified my post to state that 3jack has "far less" secondary axis tilt, rather than "virtually none" - because my statement was an unnecessary exaggeration that doesn't really reflect my position. Here is Ben Hogan Here are multiple professional golfers Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 14:59:25 GMT -5
And at impact RJ looks just like those guys, he has a head tilt issue because people told him for years probably as a kid to keep his head down but as far as the tilts go, very much the same.............what am I missing?
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Feb 10, 2011 15:01:17 GMT -5
Please clarify for me "axis tilt".... before I comment.
Rand
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 15:01:27 GMT -5
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 15:03:29 GMT -5
Please clarify for me "axis tilt".... before I comment. Rand the angle of the upper torso in relationship to a perpendicular line in the ground at different points of the swing. For example a reverse pivot would have a line more to the right at the top at P4.
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