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Post by vince on Mar 24, 2011 7:26:41 GMT -5
Hello there,
most teachers say to understand where the acceleration should be is by using the "whoosh" drill. Simply flip your driver upside down and take your grip on the shaft, just above the club head. Make your normal driver swing and listen for the whoosh. The shaft will make its loudest sound at the fastest point of acceleration (somewhere past the ball in the direction of the target).
I can make the whoosh where it belongs and I also know that I am doing the acceleration with my hands, somewhere after the ball. If I do this hand-acceleration with the real club, the ball flies everywhere. But how I understand the golfswing is that the hands are just attached to the club, so you shouldn't use the hands!
Which muscles then should be used to get that same soundvolume, without using the hands? If I use only the pivot I can hear the sound, but with less volume. If I combine the pivot and left-girdle muscles, I hear the sound, but with less volume. If I combine the pivot with timing of the acceleration of the core-muscles, I hear the sound but with less volume. Can I outrun the fast hands with other muscles, or do I have to learn to time the fast-hands at impact (including of course the straight left wrist), and taking hands into the swing....? Or do I have to accept the whoosh with less volume (and therefor lesser clubhead speed) but using the correct pivot and muscles in favor of consistent swinging? And should one do this whooshing also with irons with the descending blow? I am very interested in your thoughts, thank you. (I am Dutch, so excuse me for my english)
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 24, 2011 10:02:36 GMT -5
I personally think that one can get a louder whoosh sound immediately after impact in that drill - by adding active wrist action. However, I believe that any use of "active hands" creates timing problems and a greater likelihood of imperfect/inconsistent ball flight. Swing power comes from the sequential release of one's power accumulators, and if the power release sequence is optimal, then clubhead acceleration will be maximum at impact (or just after impact because power accumulator release is only complete at the end of the followthrough). The disadvantage of that drill (when you reverse the club) is that there is no clubhead weight and it encourages the use of "active hands" in a whip-like manner.
Jeff.
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Post by vince on Mar 24, 2011 10:23:01 GMT -5
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree completely with you about the disadvantage, because of the use-of-hands. It kept me quite busy to get that sound-volume without the hands. I quit searching and will concentrate on the sequential release of the power accumulators
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Mar 24, 2011 12:57:45 GMT -5
Hello there, most teachers say to understand where the acceleration should be is by using the "whoosh" drill. Simply flip your driver upside down and take your grip on the shaft, just above the club head. Make your normal driver swing and listen for the whoosh. The shaft will make its loudest sound at the fastest point of acceleration (somewhere past the ball in the direction of the target). I can make the whoosh where it belongs and I also know that I am doing the acceleration with my hands, somewhere after the ball. If I do this hand-acceleration with the real club, the ball flies everywhere. But how I understand the golfswing is that the hands are just attached to the club, so you shouldn't use the hands! Which muscles then should be used to get that same soundvolume, without using the hands? If I use only the pivot I can hear the sound, but with less volume. If I combine the pivot and left-girdle muscles, I hear the sound, but with less volume. If I combine the pivot with timing of the acceleration of the core-muscles, I hear the sound but with less volume. Can I outrun the fast hands with other muscles, or do I have to learn to time the fast-hands at impact (including of course the straight left wrist), and taking hands into the swing....? Or do I have to accept the whoosh with less volume (and therefor lesser clubhead speed) but using the correct pivot and muscles in favor of consistent swinging? And should one do this whooshing also with irons with the descending blow? I am very interested in your thoughts, thank you. (I am Dutch, so excuse me for my english) Welcome to the NGI forum vince. We appreciate your participation. Rand
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Post by vince on Mar 24, 2011 13:14:39 GMT -5
Thnx and a great forum!
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Post by natep on Mar 24, 2011 15:48:11 GMT -5
IMO hand speed is the most important factor in clubhead speed. If you try to keep the hands "frozen' there is no way that you can make up for it with other muscles or by turning the body faster, etc.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 24, 2011 17:44:17 GMT -5
Natep,
What is "frozen hands". What moves the hands in a swing where the hands are not frozen, compared to a swing where the hands are frozen?
Jeff.
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Post by natep on Mar 24, 2011 19:36:17 GMT -5
1-By frozen hands I mean trying to keep the wrists in the same orientation from the top of the backswing to the end of the followthrough.
2-The wrists move by the same means that a pitcher's wrist move when he throws a fastball.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Mar 24, 2011 20:07:57 GMT -5
Johnny Miller wrote that his entire game revolved around LOCKING the left wrist and hand in place and keeping it that way throughout the swing. Just bought the only instruction book he wrote Pure Golf, published in 1976.
Rand
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Post by walther on Mar 24, 2011 21:17:23 GMT -5
Johnny Miller wrote that his entire game revolved around LOCKING the left wrist and hand in place and keeping it that way throughout the swing. Just bought the only instruction book he wrote Pure Golf, published in 1976. Rand He also wrote Breaking 90 and I Call The Shots. It's a "trap draw!" W
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 24, 2011 22:20:57 GMT -5
Natep,
I personally find the pitcher analogy less useful because I have considerable sympathy for HK's TGM concepts.
For swingers - I believe in the value of the LAFW concept and I believe that there is a great advantage in keeping the LAFW intact throughout the downswing and followthrough. Through impact, one swings the intact LAFW (with its FLW) through impact. During this motion through impact, one can either keep the right wrist bent or allow it to straighten. In that sense, the right wrist is not "frozen". However, the left wrist is "frozen" in the sense that it should not bend (dorsiflex) in the downswing and followthrough.
I don't think that use of the intact LAFW concept limits swing power much, and I think that it has the great advantage of greater "controllability" through impact and it therefore has the advantage of potentially greater consistency/accuracy. Professional tennis players keep their LAFW intact when hitting a back-handed tennis shot, and they don't allow their wrist to bend.
Jeff.
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Post by jeffy on Mar 28, 2011 22:09:12 GMT -5
Johnny Miller wrote that his entire game revolved around LOCKING the left wrist and hand in place and keeping it that way throughout the swing. Just bought the only instruction book he wrote Pure Golf, published in 1976. Rand He also wrote Breaking 90 and I Call The Shots. It's a "trap draw!" W He also wrote Golf for Juniors. There are nice swing sequences of him in a couple of books, Square-to-Square Golf in Pictures, by Jim Flick and Dick Aultman, and Bob Toski's Complete Guide to Better Golf, by Bob Toski and Dick Aultman. Has a square left wrist at the top of the swing and a bowed left wrist at impact. Externally rotates the left leg dramatically in the downswing, with the left foot often hopping six inches or so to the left in the follow-through on driver swings. First noticed that watching replays of his drive on the 72nd hole at Oakmont in 1973.
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