jeffy
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Post by jeffy on Mar 28, 2011 12:31:25 GMT -5
Just found this terrific clip of Hogan that is said to be from 1946, so, hopefully, it is post secret, but pre-accident. Most good Hogan footage is post-accident.
I see the same leg action as young Jack and Snead: right femur externally rotates on backswing (clockwise) as the left femur internally rotates (also clockwise), then, after the sacrum shift toward the target, left femur rotates externally (counterclockwise) then the right femur rotates internally (also counterclockwise) bringing the right hip around. Notice how the right foot is dragged toward the target: not much pushing going on there.
Also, note how the weight doesn't really shift that much towards the target, despite how it looks during the downswing: Hogan is falling back right after the finish. Mickey Wright did the same thing with the driver (second swing):
Visible on third swing, the other clips ended too soon to show it:
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 28, 2011 17:48:13 GMT -5
Jeffy wrote-: "I see the same leg action as young Jack and Snead: right femur externally rotates on backswing (clockwise) as the left femur internally rotates (also clockwise)."
I think that he is in error to state that the right femur externally rotates - simply because it has rotated clockwise. It is actually internally rotated because it has not rotated clockwise as much as the pelvis. If the pelvis has rotated 45 degrees and the right femur has rotated <45 degrees, then the right femur is internally rotated (with respect to the right hip joint). The definition of internal/external rotation always refers to the distal bone at a joint, and it is always in reference to the joint, and not some arbitrary viewing point eg. face-on view. The same principle applies to the left femur, which is externally rotated relative to the left hip joint.
Jeffy wrote-: "Notice how the right foot is dragged toward the target: not much pushing going on there."
Pushing off the right foot only happens momentarily at the very start of the downswing as the right leg is momentarily loaded. It has long disappeared by the time the hips become square - time of the "sit-down" look. In the late downswing, when the right pelvis rotates forward, it will cause the right foot to be pulled forward (not pushed forward) by the right hip joint.
Jeff.
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Post by majorminor on Mar 28, 2011 20:26:41 GMT -5
I could never make a decent swing thinking of what my femur is doing or when this or that is occuring while my swing is happening and finishing in approx. a second, there's no time to get the conscious mind involved giving those kinds of instructions.
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Post by jeffy on Mar 28, 2011 20:36:16 GMT -5
I could never make a decent swing thinking of what my femur is doing or when this or that is occuring while my swing is happening and finishing in approx. a second, there's no time to get the conscious mind involved giving those kinds of instructions. That's why you have to train yourself to do it, then play by feel.
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Post by majorminor on Mar 28, 2011 20:42:52 GMT -5
I could never make a decent swing thinking of what my femur is doing or when this or that is occuring while my swing is happening and finishing in approx. a second, there's no time to get the conscious mind involved giving those kinds of instructions. That's why you have to train yourself to do it, then play by feel. I can't control fifty body parts in a second no matter how much i train some of those things are effects and are caused by what you do with the club, not the other way around.
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Post by jeffy on Mar 28, 2011 21:47:09 GMT -5
That's why you have to train yourself to do it, then play by feel. I can't control fifty body parts in a second no matter how much i train some of those things are effects and are caused by what you do with the club, not the other way around. I only have two femurs. What are the 48 other body parts??
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Post by majorminor on Mar 28, 2011 21:57:48 GMT -5
I can't control fifty body parts in a second no matter how much i train some of those things are effects and are caused by what you do with the club, not the other way around. I only have two femurs. What are the 48 other body parts?? You know what i meant , don't act like Jeff.
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