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Post by aimsmithgolf on Mar 27, 2011 21:07:05 GMT -5
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vince
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Post by vince on Mar 28, 2011 7:18:19 GMT -5
No comments, but compliments for the find! and sharing.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 28, 2011 9:22:46 GMT -5
Rand, I am familiar with that Hogan secret, although I have never understood the logic of that maneuver - disrupting the LAFW by bending the left wrist at the end-backswing position. Bending of the left wrist produces "cupping" and it disrupts the LAFW. I am not even convinced that Hogan did that maneuver in his later years. When I look at his videos, I only see "cupping" due to a GFLW and not due to deliberate left wrist bending, which means that he has maintained an intact LAFW. Here is an example. Jeff.
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Post by jeffy on Mar 28, 2011 11:27:05 GMT -5
Jeff Mann wrote:
I am familiar with that Hogan secret, although I have never understood the logic of that maneuver - disrupting the LAFW by bending the left wrist at the end-backswing position. Bending of the left wrist produces "cupping" and it disrupts the LAFW. I am not even convinced that Hogan did that maneuver in his later years. When I look at his videos, I only see "cupping" due to a GFLW and not due to deliberate left wrist bending, which means that he has maintained an intact LAFW.
As Hogan says in his article, he cupped when he wanted to fade it. After he discovered the "secret" in 1946 and up to the accident in 1949, Cary Middlecoff has stated that Hogan played a fade exclusively. After the accident, Middlecoff noticed that Hogan started to hit draws and straight shots as well as fades. Venturi recounted the same thing in one of the Hogan DVD sets as did Jody Vasquez in Afternoons with Mr. Hogan. In the Shell Snead match in 1964, Hogan hit a lot of draws (according to the announcer), so the cup would appear less frequently.
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Post by natep on Mar 28, 2011 15:10:19 GMT -5
If only Hogan would've known about flying wedges, imagine how great he could've been. ;D
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Mar 28, 2011 19:28:38 GMT -5
Jeff Mann wrote: I am familiar with that Hogan secret, although I have never understood the logic of that maneuver - disrupting the LAFW by bending the left wrist at the end-backswing position. Bending of the left wrist produces "cupping" and it disrupts the LAFW. I am not even convinced that Hogan did that maneuver in his later years. When I look at his videos, I only see "cupping" due to a GFLW and not due to deliberate left wrist bending, which means that he has maintained an intact LAFW. As Hogan says in his article, he cupped when he wanted to fade it. After he discovered the "secret" in 1946 and up to the accident in 1949, Cary Middlecoff has stated that Hogan played a fade exclusively. After the accident, Middlecoff noticed that Hogan started to hit draws and straight shots as well as fades. Venturi recounted the same thing in one of the Hogan DVD sets as did Jody Vasquez in Afternoons with Mr. Hogan. In the Shell Snead match in 1964, Hogan hit a lot of draws (according to the announcer), so the cup would appear less frequently. Please produce collaboration for the claim regarding Middlecoff. The idea that Hogan did not hook and fade the ball when needed and only faded the ball during that period is, to me, unbelievable. He hit a hook or fade when the shot called for it. Rand
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Post by majorminor on Mar 28, 2011 20:08:57 GMT -5
The thing that i noticed in the article is that Hogan did the exact wrong thing to try and fix his hook at first. Had he known the d-plane etc. he would not aim more right to allow room for his hook as that woud make his hook worse which it did.
But he found a way and it worked for him, the other thing is that he stated" his secret" would ruin most average to bad golfers, yet to this day people that slice etc. try and copy Hogan.
I also thought that this unveiling of Hogan's real secret was going to be something new and not seen or read before as Rand had advertised it as people didn't know Hogan's secret, i have read all this before nothing new here.
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Post by jeffy on Mar 28, 2011 20:09:27 GMT -5
Rand wrote:
Please produce collaboration for the claim regarding Middlecoff. The idea that Hogan did not hook and fade the ball when needed and only faded the ball during that period is, to me, unbelievable. He hit a hook or fade when the shot called for it.
Sure (BTW, I assume you meant "corroboration"). From Dr. Middlecoff"s The Golf Swing, published in 1974:
"By 1948 it was obvious that Hogan opened the clubface and began his wrist-cocking (cupping) early in the backswing. And he almost invariably made the ball move from left to right on full shots. Most were slight fades, with the ball moving gradually to the right, but on some shots-drives in particular-he would actually slice the ball. But the main thing I and his other fellow pros noticed was that he almost invariably put the ball just about where he wanted to.
"After Hogan came back on tour early in 1950-having been off it for almost a year because of the highway accident-he mostly hit the ball straight instead of fading it. But if he hit one hook, he went back to the fade for the rest of the round, unless, of course, he needed a deliberate hook. Also, in the early post-accident period, he would sometimes use a fairway wood on a shot of 215 yards or so, a distance from which he would normally use a 2-iron. On these shots he would fade the ball rather sharply by hitting down on it and across it, leaving a divot-mark that pointed well to the left of the target. He always seemed to have all the shots that the rest of us did, plus a few in reserve.
"My impression is that in the later years he made considerably less use of the so-called secret that gave him a guaranteed left-to-right movement of the ball in flight. Sometimes, as when he would come to a relatively short par-4 hole with a very narrow fairway, he would take out his driver and hit what some of us called "a dinky little ol' slice". Esthetically, so to speak, the shot didn't look like much, but it always seemed to wind up in the center of the fairway or on whichever portion of the fairway that offered the best second-shot position."
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