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Post by majorminor on Apr 4, 2011 10:48:00 GMT -5
That bowed wrist won't happen automatically/naturally as Jeff seems to think. I like to see the evidence that supports this as an automatic and natural event, how can you proof this as true. Sorry but it DOES happen automatically. I have known this for a fact since the late 70's. I bought a super 8 movie camera and recorded my swing. To my amazement, and this continues to this day, my left wrist was bowed just like Hogan's without any effort on my part to do so. In fact, the bowing was too pronounced over the years and caused problems. It has also been a problem with Ernie Els. Rand Sorry but that's for you , it's an anecdotal example , not real proof that it's going to happen automatically if it did we all would have a bowed wrist i don't have one unless i consciously make it bowed none of my son's have one or a lot of the people i play golf with. Some even flip or have a flat but not bowed wrist, to them that's natural. Many pro's on tour don't have a bowed wrist so i guess all of those that don't bow their wrist are making a unnatural compensation and all those that do are naturals, somehow i doubt that. There's probably more flippers among all golfers than golfers with a bowed wrist at impact so one could argue that flipping is more natural than bowing as the numbers support that theory but how can you really prove what's natural to someone in the golfswing , it maybe natural to you but unnatural to a lot of others. JMO.
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Post by candygram on Apr 4, 2011 11:24:33 GMT -5
I asked in an earlier post what was required to make this bowing "automatic" but didn't get a response, so I just tried to relax my wrists the best I could. I have checked my backswing and I seem to have an "intact LAFW" as well as a "GFLW" at the top (looks a little cupped, but, I guess, "technically", it's not), but no matter what I did to relax my wrists this weekend, I kept on flipping. In fact, my ballstriking was terrible: nothing but pull hooks. What am I doing wrong??
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Post by natep on Apr 4, 2011 13:46:27 GMT -5
That bowed wrist won't happen automatically/naturally as Jeff seems to think. I like to see the evidence that supports this as an automatic and natural event, how can you proof this as true. Sorry but it DOES happen automatically. I have known this for a fact since the late 70's. I bought a super 8 movie camera and recorded my swing. To my amazement, and this continues to this day, my left wrist was bowed just like Hogan's without any effort on my part to do so. In fact, the bowing was too pronounced over the years and caused problems. It has also been a problem with Ernie Els. Rand are you serious?
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Post by natep on Apr 4, 2011 13:50:32 GMT -5
I asked in an earlier post what was required to make this bowing "automatic" but didn't get a response, so I just tried to relax my wrists the best I could. I have checked my backswing and I seem to have an "intact LAFW" as well as a "GFLW" at the top (looks a little cupped, but, I guess, "technically", it's not), but no matter what I did to relax my wrists this weekend, I kept on flipping. In fact, my ballstriking was terrible: nothing but pull hooks. What am I doing wrong?? Relaxing the wrists will not get you to stop flipping. If you are after a bowed left wrist at impact and you are not used to it it you will have to make a concerted effort to bow it and hold it through impact. It will probably feel very foreign to you.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 4, 2011 14:24:40 GMT -5
Sorry but it DOES happen automatically. I have known this for a fact since the late 70's. I bought a super 8 movie camera and recorded my swing. To my amazement, and this continues to this day, my left wrist was bowed just like Hogan's without any effort on my part to do so. In fact, the bowing was too pronounced over the years and caused problems. It has also been a problem with Ernie Els. Rand Sorry but that's for you , it's an anecdotal example , not real proof that it's going to happen automatically if it did we all would have a bowed wrist i don't have one unless i consciously make it bowed none of my son's have one or a lot of the people i play golf with. Some even flip or have a flat but not bowed wrist, to them that's natural. Many pro's on tour don't have a bowed wrist so i guess all of those that don't bow their wrist are making a unnatural compensation and all those that do are naturals, somehow i doubt that. There's probably more flippers among all golfers than golfers with a bowed wrist at impact so one could argue that flipping is more natural than bowing as the numbers support that theory but how can you really prove what's natural to someone in the golfswing , it maybe natural to you but unnatural to a lot of others. JMO. Sorry I did not clarify. It's the RESULT of a correct golf swing with the hands leading into impact. Rand
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 4, 2011 14:28:44 GMT -5
Sorry but it DOES happen automatically. I have known this for a fact since the late 70's. I bought a super 8 movie camera and recorded my swing. To my amazement, and this continues to this day, my left wrist was bowed just like Hogan's without any effort on my part to do so. In fact, the bowing was too pronounced over the years and caused problems. It has also been a problem with Ernie Els. Rand are you serious? To clarify, in a correctly applied golf swing with hands leading the clubhead it bows and I should further state that the GRIP is neutral or weaker position too. To state again: I never consciously tried to bow my wrist. In fact I even tried to reduce the bowing of my wrist and I still had some bowing. I can only express what happened in my own swing. My left hand grip was and continues to be in a neutral or weaker position. Rand
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Post by candygram on Apr 4, 2011 14:50:09 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this isn't making sense to me. Earlier it was stated that bowing would occur "automatically" if the LASW was intact, there was a GFLW and relaxed wrists. Now I am being told that the bowing will only occur "if am I swinging corectly" and make a "concerted effort" to bow. WTF??? Sounds like I wasted a weekend's worth of range balls. Sorry, I guess I should have known "automatic" was to good to be true.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 4, 2011 14:56:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this isn't making sense to me. Earlier it was stated that bowing would occur "automatically" if the LASW was intact, there was a GFLW and relaxed wrists. Now I am being told that the bowing will only occur "if am I swinging corectly" and make a "concerted effort" to bow. WTF??? Sounds like I wasted a weekend's worth of range balls. Sorry, I guess I should have known "automatic" was to good to be true. This bowing is a bit allusive and to say "in a correct golf swing" is misleading (not saying intentionally).....to many great golf swings in history don't have it. If you want to see it bowed lay the club off something fierce with a uber strong grip, rotate through the shot hard....it will be bowed. I don't try to do that but if the goal is to get it bowed well.... You could press the shit off your right palm down at impact which will make the left wrist bow...big divots for sure.
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Post by natep on Apr 4, 2011 15:53:41 GMT -5
Sorry, I guess I should have known "automatic" was to good to be true. ^^this
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Post by majorminor on Apr 4, 2011 16:48:56 GMT -5
Wasn't it Jeff M. who originally said it was automatic/natural? What's his opinion since it was his statement that some of us doubt although Rand has given his opinion i 'd like to hear from the originator of this concept.
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Post by natep on Apr 4, 2011 18:42:27 GMT -5
Jeff prefers keeping the LAFW intact, with the exception being a slighty arched left wrist at impact. Not sure if he proclaims arching to be a natural occurence though.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 4, 2011 18:52:45 GMT -5
Jeff prefers keeping the LAFW intact, with the exception being a slighty arched left wrist at impact. Not sure if he proclaims arching to be a natural occurence though. Post #45 of this thread seems to indicate that.
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Post by natep on Apr 4, 2011 19:09:00 GMT -5
Yeah you're right.
Pretty amusing imo that he puts up a picture of a one armed golfer to prove the point that this is a natural occurence. I'm not sure how one can possibly draw that conclusion.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 4, 2011 19:33:30 GMT -5
Yeah you're right. Pretty amusing imo that he puts up a picture of a one armed golfer to prove the point that this is a natural occurence. I'm not sure how one can possibly draw that conclusion. I agree, but i'm sure Jeff has some kind of biomechanical reason why it's natural/automatic (the bowed wrist.) I just know that when i started playing golf nothing was automatic or seemed natural and i still don't bow my lead wrist, flat most of the time with the occasional flip for me. Maybe i'm a biomechanical freak of some kind. ;D
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 4, 2011 19:34:42 GMT -5
All,
It's the natural movement of the wrist to bow IF you have the correct setup and swing. Correct in that you WANT the bowed left wrist to occur. But what's the argument here? What are you trying to accomplish?
If you don't believe that you can ALLOW this to occur naturally then forget it because it won't. I know it will since I have been doing it naturally without thinking about it for 40 years.
majorminor... how do you know you did not have a bowed wrist during practice? You had a video camera, right? You saw that it did not occur for you. So post it up and we will be able to see and help you achieve whatever you are trying to do. If you need help with getting the video up let me know and I will be glad to help you.
Rand
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