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Post by candygram on Apr 5, 2011 15:35:02 GMT -5
In another thread, some competing theories were made about achieving a bowed left wrist at impact. One poster said that it is "automatic", if a "LAFW" is intact. Another said it was "natural" if you "set up correctly" and "swung correctly". A third said it would not happen automatically, that it needed to be "forced". A fourth said it would happen if I kept turning.
I believe that I "set up correctly". I believe I have an intact "LAFW". I have always tried to "keep turning". I certainly want to "allow" it to happen, and followed the advice to "relax" my wrists. After two days of ball beating that didn't work, I came back looking for more guidance and THEN THE THREAD WAS LOCKED! Can anyone help me? Obviously, the "automatic" solution is what I'm looking for; I don't really know how to "force" it without robbing all my power.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 5, 2011 15:49:41 GMT -5
That's my point if it was automatic you wouldn't be asking for help it would just happen. The fact that you need someone to show you or tell you how to do it kind of blows the natural/automatic theory up in my opinion. But good luck, i certainly have no idea how to tell you in words how to implement a bowed wrist automatically.
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Post by natep on Apr 5, 2011 15:56:36 GMT -5
That's my point if it was automatic you wouldn't be asking for help it would just happen. The fact that you need someone to show you or tell you how to do it kind of blows the natural/automatic theory up in my opinion. But good luck, i certainly have no idea how to tell you in words how to implement a bowed wrist automatically. +1 Like I said before if you arent already doing it, you will have to force it until it becomes habit and it will feel strange for a while. Aimsmith's (and JMann's)argument that it's natural for him and therefore natural for everyone is absurd. I am left handed but I play golf right handed. It's natural for me. Can I therefore conclude that all right handed golfers should play left-handed, and that it's perfectly natural? Of course not, and the logic in that reasoning is flawed in too many ways to count. Just because Jeff posted a picture of a one-armed golfer with a bowed wrist, he cannot thereby conclude that all golfers will also have a bowed wrist, and that it happens automatically. For one, how do we know that it even happens automatically for the one armed golfer?? And even if it does happen naturally for him, you cannot conclude that it will happen for everyone naturally. Not to mention the fact that virtually none of us ever plays golf with one arm, so even if it were to happen naturally in a one armed swing, it's still irrelevent to us folks who are swinging the club in a normal manner with both hands. I could go on and on. Good luck with your swing. You might have to seek help elsewhere since I suspect this thread will be locked too.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 5, 2011 19:48:09 GMT -5
In another thread, some competing theories were made about achieving a bowed left wrist at impact. One poster said that it is "automatic", if a "LAFW" is intact. Another said it was "natural" if you "set up correctly" and "swung correctly". A third said it would not happen automatically, that it needed to be "forced". A fourth said it would happen if I kept turning. I believe that I "set up correctly". I believe I have an intact "LAFW". I have always tried to "keep turning". I certainly want to "allow" it to happen, and followed the advice to "relax" my wrists. After two days of ball beating that didn't work, I came back looking for more guidance and THEN THE THREAD WAS LOCKED! Can anyone help me? Obviously, the "automatic" solution is what I'm looking for; I don't really know how to "force" it without robbing all my power. The reason the thread was locked is that the subject of the thread that I started was lost with the "bowed" wrist discussion, in my opinion. When you have a change in subject it's better to have a fresh start. Now I will address the subject of this thread, "Achieving a bowed left wrist at impact." started by candygram. I have one question. Why do you want to bow your wrist at impact? Rand
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 5, 2011 20:01:45 GMT -5
That's my point if it was automatic you wouldn't be asking for help it would just happen. The fact that you need someone to show you or tell you how to do it kind of blows the natural/automatic theory up in my opinion. But good luck, i certainly have no idea how to tell you in words how to implement a bowed wrist automatically. +1 Like I said before if you arent already doing it, you will have to force it until it becomes habit and it will feel strange for a while. Aimsmith's (and JMann's)argument that it's natural for him and therefore natural for everyone is absurd. I am left handed but I play golf right handed. It's natural for me. Can I therefore conclude that all right handed golfers should play left-handed, and that it's perfectly natural? Of course not, and the logic in that reasoning is flawed in too many ways to count. Just because Jeff posted a picture of a one-armed golfer with a bowed wrist, he cannot thereby conclude that all golfers will also have a bowed wrist, and that it happens automatically. For one, how do we know that it even happens automatically for the one armed golfer?? And even if it does happen naturally for him, you cannot conclude that it will happen for everyone naturally. Not to mention the fact that virtually none of us ever plays golf with one arm, so even if it were to happen naturally in a one armed swing, it's still irrelevent to us folks who are swinging the club in a normal manner with both hands. I could go on and on. Good luck with your swing. You might have to seek help elsewhere since I suspect this thread will be locked too. You suspect wrong, natep. I want to help candygram, if I can and perhaps others will help him as well. If we need to move other posts that were on the Hogan thread, I think I can do that. Rand
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Post by candygram on Apr 6, 2011 11:03:25 GMT -5
Ever since I read Hogan's book, I've wanted to have a bowed left wrist at impact.
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Post by vince on Apr 6, 2011 13:05:48 GMT -5
If you would post a video (slow-motion) of your swing we could give more advice.....
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 6, 2011 13:45:12 GMT -5
Ever since I read Hogan's book, I've wanted to have a bowed left wrist at impact. You are a die hard Hogan devotee then indeed. Great. Now please upload a video of front view and down the line plus a close up of your grip. You'll be bowing your wrists like Hogan in no time... Rand
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 7, 2011 9:31:49 GMT -5
I think that it is desirable to have an anatomically FLW at impact - and not a bowed left wrist - if one has no-little forward clubshaft lean at impact. However, if the ball is placed further behind low point, then it is more likely that one may have a bowed left wrist due to a greater amount of forward shaft lean - especially if one has relaxed wrists.
I believe that an anatomically FLW will happen automatically in a swinger if his left wrist-hand leads the club into impact - presuming that he simultaneously ensures that he maintains a sufficiently bent right wrist. A swinger has to avoid trying to hit with the right hand as that action may make the right wrist more palmar flexed near impact and thereby bend the left wrist.
Jeff.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 7, 2011 10:06:38 GMT -5
That would not be automatic if you have to ensure you have a bent right wrist or if you have to "try" to avoid hitting with the right hand if your a swinger. If you have to try anything it is not automatic.
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Post by candygram on Apr 7, 2011 10:28:46 GMT -5
So what Jeff is saying is if you are doing it right it will happen automatically. If only it were that easy. I have been trying to lead with the left, not hit with the right and maintain a bent right wrist for years, and the only thing automatic has been the flip. This advice isn't new for me and is not much help. Thanks for trying.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 7, 2011 10:38:18 GMT -5
So what Jeff is saying is if you are doing it right it will happen automatically. If only it were that easy. I have been trying to lead with the left, not hit with the right and maintain a bent right wrist for years, and the only thing automatic has been the flip. This advice isn't new for me and is not much help. Thanks for trying. Maybe Jeff can show you how through a slow motion video of him hitting some shots and explaining how he gets the bowed wrist and the flat wrist automatically. Would that be of any help?
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 7, 2011 13:12:45 GMT -5
So what Jeff is saying is if you are doing it right it will happen automatically. If only it were that easy. I have been trying to lead with the left, not hit with the right and maintain a bent right wrist for years, and the only thing automatic has been the flip. This advice isn't new for me and is not much help. Thanks for trying. candygram, I feel your pain! Flip, Flip, Flip... and the scores SOAR HIGHER! Total frustration. But it IS that EASY to hit solid and accurate golf shots if you only believe. You just have to believe it and trust it and it will come to you. Just keep swinging the clubhead. Waiting for that video of your swing. Take a series of say 5 or 6 swings face on, a couple DTL and that should do it. We'll all chip in here and get you the best advice possible. Don't get discouraged. Help is on the way... Keep smiling! Rand
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 7, 2011 17:56:54 GMT -5
MM wrote-: "That would not be automatic if you have to ensure you have a bent right wrist or if you have to "try" to avoid hitting with the right hand if your a swinger. If you have to try anything it is not automatic." I think that it is automatic if you get the concept of the LAFW correct. I described the whole process in this U-stream broadcast. www.ustream.tv/recorded/10830713If one has an intact LAFW in the backswing and downswing, then the left wrist will automatically be flat at impact if one doesn't disrupt the LAFW. The same principle applies to performing a backhanded tennis stroke - maintaining a GFLW is automatic if one avoids disrupting the intact LAFW by a flipping action. The key action is performing a smooth stroke action without any hand stalling. Under those conditions, there is no mechanical reason why the GFLW should not be maintained through impact. Although the motion of maintaining an intact LAFW is automatic, it can obviously be disrupted by an unruly right arm/wrist action or any pivot/left arm stalling. Jeff.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 7, 2011 20:13:27 GMT -5
If, if, if. does not equal automatic. If pigs had wings they might be able to fly, if. Let's face it your talking about if all these things are done you can label it automatic but if they are not done then it's not automatic.
The fact is many people are not doing it automatically, so there must be some learning and practice involved for it to be automatic. It's not that simple just grab a club and swing away and you'll have a bowed wrist or flat wrist, not everyone will.
Just believe and it will magically happen, really?
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