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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 7, 2011 20:17:37 GMT -5
MM,
You are an automatic naysayer, who apparently has nothing useful to contribute to a discussion of golf swing mechanics/biomechanics.
Jeff.
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Post by natep on Apr 7, 2011 20:22:37 GMT -5
MM wrote-: "That would not be automatic if you have to ensure you have a bent right wrist or if you have to "try" to avoid hitting with the right hand if your a swinger. If you have to try anything it is not automatic." I think that it is automatic if you get the concept of the LAFW correct. I described the whole process in this U-stream broadcast. www.ustream.tv/recorded/10830713If one has an intact LAFW in the backswing and downswing, then the left wrist will automatically be flat at impact if one doesn't disrupt the LAFW. The same principle applies to performing a backhanded tennis stroke - maintaining a GFLW is automatic if one avoids disrupting the intact LAFW by a flipping action. The key action is performing a smooth stroke action without any hand stalling. Under those conditions, there is no mechanical reason why the GFLW should not be maintained through impact. Although the motion of maintaining an intact LAFW is automatic, it can obviously be disrupted by an unruly right arm/wrist action or any pivot/left arm stalling. Jeff. So, Homer's "rhythm"?
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Post by majorminor on Apr 7, 2011 20:27:08 GMT -5
MM, You are an automatic naysayer, who apparently has nothing useful to contribute to a discussion of golf swing mechanics/biomechanics. Jeff. No i'm a realist, and you cannot provide any real proof that it happens naturally or automatically, it doesn't for lot's of people and that is a real fact not fiction.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 7, 2011 20:30:11 GMT -5
Yes - Homer's "rhythm". It is a key requirement to keeping the LAFW intact during the downswing. Without good rhythm, maintaining a GFLW and an intact LAFW throughout the downswing and through the impact zone into the followthrough cannot become automatic.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 7, 2011 20:35:28 GMT -5
MM,
A good tennis player automatically maintains an intact LAFW when he performs a back-handed tennis stroke - if he strokes the ball and doesn't use active wrists/hands that are independent of the body/arm motion. Poor tennis players try to hit the ball with an active arm/hand flipping motion, and they cannot hope to automatically maintain a GFLW. The same principle applies to a golf swing - if a golfer swings with rhythm, and if he doesn't use active arms/hands to slap at the ball.
Jeff.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 8, 2011 0:45:41 GMT -5
That's exactly my point" if this or if that and as long as they don't do this or that". You can't get around the fact that if it was natural/automatic everyone would just do it and we wouldn't even be discussing this, as it wouldn't be an issue for so many golfer's, but that's just not the case.
The reason it's not automatic or natural is the fact that people have faulty mechanics in all area's of the golfswing if it was so automatic why the need for all the instruction and even after all the instruction people still can't achieve a bowed wrist or flat wrist.
If the majority of the golfing public slices the golf ball is that more natural or automatic than hitting a straight shot or a draw?
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 8, 2011 1:00:38 GMT -5
Major,
There is nothing that can be done to make the human body a machine. There is a cause and affect in even the simplest forms of motor skills, a person walking will not fall down IF.......I mean there is no way to automate a golf swing, can not be done.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 8, 2011 1:09:13 GMT -5
MM,
You don't seem to be capable of mentally grasping how I use the term "automatic" with respect to a GFLW. I am not implying that it will occur automatically/naturally without a golfer first learning how to execute a golf stroke action. I am saying that it only occurs automatically/naturally if a golfer has first learnt how to correctly execute a golf stroke that allows the golfer to swing an intact LAFW into impact, and through impact. If one has learnt how to maintain an intact LAFW throughout the golf stroke, then one doesn't have to learn how to maintain a GFLW as a separate learning action. The same principle applies to a backhanded tennis stroke. A tennis player has to learn how to perform a tennis stroke, and not an arm/wrist-activated slap motion. Once he has learnt how to correctly execute a stroke action, then maintaining a GFLW is automatic because it is inherent/intrinsic to the "correctly learnt" stroke action.
Jeff.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 8, 2011 2:40:31 GMT -5
Major, There is nothing that can be done to make the human body a machine. There is a cause and affect in even the simplest forms of motor skills, a person walking will not fall down IF.......I mean there is no way to automate a golf swing, can not be done. You should be telling Jeff, i already know that.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 8, 2011 2:56:23 GMT -5
MM, You don't seem to be capable of mentally grasping how I use the term "automatic" with respect to a GFLW. I am not implying that it will occur automatically/naturally without a golfer first learning how to execute a golf stroke action. I am saying that it only occurs automatically/naturally if a golfer has first learnt how to correctly execute a golf stroke that allows the golfer to swing an intact LAFW into impact, and through impact. If one has learnt how to maintain an intact LAFW throughout the golf stroke, then one doesn't have to learn how to maintain a GFLW as a separate learning action. The same principle applies to a backhanded tennis stroke. A tennis player has to learn how to perform a tennis stroke, and not an arm/wrist-activated slap motion. Once he has learnt how to correctly execute a stroke action, then maintaining a GFLW is automatic because it is inherent/intrinsic to the "correctly learnt" stroke action. Jeff. post #45 That is exactly the time when one would expect the GFLW to automatically/naturally become bowed - if one has a relaxed wrist. At that time (P6 position), the back of the GFLW is going to turn targetwards as it rounds the bend of the hand arc path due to a rotary motion of the left arm/forearm. If the GFLW is leading and pulling the club behind it, then one would expect it to most likely become bowed at that time point. First i'm plenty capable mentally and that would be an insult and not allowed by forum rules, you are now repeating what i have maintained all along, it now has to be learn't and that means it is not automatic or natural as long as your wrist is relaxed, and remember we are talking about a bowed lead wrist ,that was not in your post#45 of the Hogan thread (see above), oh i guess we should know how you use the term automatic in regards to the gflw, really? Should Candygram and others know how you use these terms , you can't be serious? Maybe you could have explained it better to those of use that have a reduced mental capacity for your terms. How do you expect people to learn if they have to guess at what your saying? That would be frustrating to say the least.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 8, 2011 7:38:55 GMT -5
majorminor/teeitup,
As I suspected you have been here before for the purpose only to contradict anything and everything Jeff Mann, and others who respect his views, post. I saved all your responses and 80% + are negative. Neither myself or Jeff or anyone else here thinks that a person is going to pick up a golf club and swing it and have a bowed left wrist. I think you are smart enough to know this and just want to disagree to discredit.
You also posted a personal message to me as a thread that is clearly not appropriate. You were indeed posting in opposition to my post. I am deleting that thread and locking this one.
I do have a theory as to why you guys do this but this is not the time or place for it.
Rand
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