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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 9, 2011 9:38:58 GMT -5
In the "bowed left wrist" thread, CG wrote-: "So what Jeff is saying is if you are doing it right it will happen automatically. If only it were that easy. I have been trying to lead with the left, not hit with the right and maintain a bent right wrist for years, and the only thing automatic has been the flip. This advice isn't new for me and is not much help. Thanks for trying."
Maintaining a FLW is only automatic if one learns how to move an intact LAFW in space during the downswing and followthrough.
This LB video, where LB demonstrates the Taly Mind-Set, may help golfers understand how to maintain an intact LAFW, and therefore FLW, through impact. Note that LB emphasizes two points - i) keeping the left hand moving through impact via a synchronised body/arm action that allows the arms/body/clubshaft to rotate at the same rpm through the impact zone, and ii) avoiding any active wrist/hand action in the late downswing.
Jeff.
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Apr 9, 2011 10:28:04 GMT -5
Thanks Jeff for this great post and thread. Gotta order this myself now! I have been following Taly and his device for around six months now. candygram's flipping can be cured for sure and save $$'s on practice balls! Rand
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 9, 2011 11:07:52 GMT -5
I personally don't have an incentive to buy the Taly device, because I simply practice my swing action while imagining that I have a red ball (clown's nose) inline with the back of my left forearm. Purchasing the Taly device may be useful because it reinforces good swing habits in a positive feedback manner.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 9, 2011 11:24:11 GMT -5
Consider this comment that Dan C made in a 3jack forum thread on Alvaros Quiros' swing.
"Pivot braking adds zero power. Anyone who says so doesn't know physics. Pivot breaking happens as a result of a body part nearing it's end of range of motion or responding to the conservation of angular momentum of the club. For instance the hands/arms slow down in order for the club to kick out to the ball and MUST slow down due to conservation of angular momentum. It's not conscious and you actually can't do it any other way. Braking is an effect and shouldn't ever be done consciously in order to add power. It's a result of our body's limitations and responding to the swinging motion of the club."
He states that the hands must slow down due in order for the club to release and that it is based on the principle of COAM. I believe that it is a fallacy! The COAM principle only applies to a system where a "fixed" amount of energy is inputted into the system. In a golf swing, a golfer has the option of ensuring that the left arm/hand continues to accelerate throughout the late downswing and that it doesn't brake before impact (due to the COAM principle). Any braking of the left hand prior to impact will predispose to flipping. The Taly device helps to train a golfer to ensure that the left hand doesn't brake (slow-down) prior to impact.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 9, 2011 21:50:11 GMT -5
I have added an addendum to my impact chapter where I discuss this issue in greater depth - see my answer to question number 7 if you are interested in my opinions. perfectgolfswingreview.net/impact.htm Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 10, 2011 12:33:12 GMT -5
Not sure how much I agree with statement because it makes it sound like if you are flat at impact then you have not flipped. Flipping occurs when the clubhead passes the hands prior to impact so that the clubhead is ahead of the hands at impactHere is a swing capture of a 200 yard 5 iron I hit last month. Impact the wrist is pretty flat yet just have impact you see a lot of bend in the left wrist and this looks nothing like the impact alignments that Lynn Blake would recommend. The only way for me not to get any break down is to try and speed up my pivot like crazy but then the club gets a little stuck. The pictured alignment is a bit of a compromise between the two, for my personal swing. Attachments:
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 10, 2011 12:51:21 GMT -5
Greg,
In my definition of flipping, I arbitrarily pre-specify that it must occur pre-impact. I use that arbitrary definition because if flipping occurs pre-impact, then it will definitely have deleterious effects. If it occurs post-impact (like in your swing), then the ball flight may not be negatively affected. However, trying to time a flipping motion so that it only occurs post-impact is very difficult, and that's why I strongly support LB's TGM-teaching of keeping the LAFW intact through impact to at least the end of the early followthrough.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 10, 2011 13:48:47 GMT -5
Me too Jeff, its just hard. So many reasons why that club might flip around pre and post impact.
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