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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 1, 2012 20:47:42 GMT -5
Here is a BM video on "backing the shaft up". vimeo.com/45039075#I have no idea what he is talking about! Can you definitively/clearly explain what he means by "backing up the shaft". Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 2, 2012 18:10:55 GMT -5
The video confuses me as well BUT his demonstration certainly sounds like some of my issues and how I find a way to get the club on the ball.
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Post by natep on Jul 3, 2012 19:24:04 GMT -5
Make an across the line backswing with an underturned body. On the downswing as your hips, shoulders get open before impact, look at what you have to do to get the club on the ball. Right hand will feel like youre turning the key in your ignition the whole way down. This is backing it up.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 3, 2012 23:57:31 GMT -5
Natep's description makes it seem like "backing the shaft up" could be a good solution for a golfer like Greg - who doesn't have an open pelvis at impact, and who suffers from straight pulls due to an OTT (upper body dive) swing action.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 5, 2012 11:48:01 GMT -5
Natep's description makes it seem like "backing the shaft up" could be a good solution for a golfer like Greg - who doesn't have an open pelvis at impact, and who suffers from straight pulls due to an OTT (upper body dive) swing action. Jeff. I am not understanding this backing the shaft up at all, but on another thread someone said its like through a side arm pitch. I shot this video last night, is it the athlete or the motions that are the problem? I have baseball swings with similar results. Still though when you get your hands on the club its just not the same because executing the mechanics is difficult. I can get my pelvis open no doubt.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 5, 2012 13:17:27 GMT -5
Greg,
Looking at your baseball throw action - that's the type of pivot motion you need to adopt for your golf swing. Note how your pelvis is open to the target and note how you release the ball in a targetwards direction. I think that any idea of '"swinging left" after impact is a "death move" for a golfer like you and it will predispose to swinging out-to-in, and you should rather think of releasing the club in a CF-manner towards the target with more vertical motion of the right shoulder through impact.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 5, 2012 14:18:08 GMT -5
Greg, Looking at your baseball throw action - that's the type of pivot motion you need to adopt for your golf swing. Note how your pelvis is open to the target and note how you release the ball in a targetwards direction. I think that any idea of '"swinging left" after impact is a "death move" for a golfer like you and it will predispose to swinging out-to-in, and you should rather think of releasing the club in a CF-manner towards the target with more vertical motion of the right shoulder through impact. Jeff. I agree Jeff, its just hard. Something to work on.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 5, 2012 17:11:22 GMT -5
Greg, I see that Tapio thinks of solving this problem using the "opposite circles" approach. I think that this approach is artificial and not based on an optimum explanation of human biomechanics. First of all, it is only the pelvis that moves relatively horizontally. It is readily possible for a flexible golfer to move the upper torso along a more verticalized (ferris-wheel path) and that will allow the two shoulder sockets to move along a path that is more "ferris-wheel" than "merry-go-round" in nature. That more "ferris-wheel" shoulder socket motion will allow a golfer to move the right forearm on-plane into impact during the right forearm paddlewheeling action - using a motion that is equivalent to a baseball pitcher's side-arm throwing action. Here is Sergio Garcia His shoulders move much more steeper (in a ferris-wheel manner) during his downswing - compared to his backswing. This is biomechanically possible (despite a horizontal pelvic motion) because he has an optimum kinetic sequence - lower body (pelvis) leads the upper body into impact. Robert Baker describes the optimum kinetic sequence very well in his swing video lesson. www.golf.com/video/add-yards-o-factorThe "correct" pelvic motion allows the right shoulder to move downplane and the clubshaft to come from the inside along a shallow angle. The "correct" pelvic motion is the pelvic motion that allows one to develop a positive O factor at impact, and that requires that one lead with the lower body so that one has an open pelvis at impact. A good sign of an opening pelvis at impact is the biomechanical sign of "raising of the right heel" - see Tiger's and Ernie's right heel in the Robert Baker video. You do not manifest that biomechanical phenomenon in your downswing action - because your kinetic sequence is incorrect in your full golf swing action (although you get it correct in your baseball throw action). Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 5, 2012 17:22:31 GMT -5
You do not manifest that biomechanical phenomenon in your downswing action - because your kinetic sequence is incorrect in your full golf swing action (although you get it correct in your baseball throw action). Jeff. But what I have been trying to prove to myself is that it is possible, maybe not to the degree of that still picture, but at least something better than it currently is.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 5, 2012 18:23:24 GMT -5
Greg,
Your baseball throw action video has proved that it is possible for you to move your pelvis optimally using the optimum kinetic sequence. Note how much you have moved your pelvis (in a left hip clearing manner ala Hogan) in your baseball throw action - before your right arm/elbow reaches the P5/P5.5 position. Note how the "correct" pelvic action allows you to shallow your right arm/forearm's angle of approach between P5.5 and P7 as Robert Baker demonstrates in his video lesson.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 5, 2012 18:40:30 GMT -5
Greg, Video your golf swing using the following deliberate swing actions. Start the downswing as follows-: 1) Shift your pelvis targetwards onto a straightening left leg that allows you to generate a positive O factor. Make sure that you "feel" immediate weight transfer onto the straightening left leg. 2) Make sure that you "feel" that your navel is leading the mid-torso in a direction that is right-of-the-target as your pelvis becomes open before impact. Make sure that you "feel" that this motion causes your right shoulder to drop more downwards in a "ferris-wheel" manner. Don't worry if your clubshaft falls behind you in an underplane manner. Resist any temptation to start the downswing with an upper body and/or arm motion that throws the arms/clubshaft in front of your body. Have the "feeling" that you are leaving your hands/club behind you as you start the downswing with a Hogan-style lower body motion. Try and look like Hogan in this posed photo. perfectgolfswingreview.net/GolfPerfect-FofH-elbowleading.jpg [/img] Note how Hogan's navel is facing right-of-the-target and that his pelvis is opening to the target. Note how its "appears" as if his power package is falling behind him, and that his arms/club is not in front of his rotating torso. Don't worry about your ball flight - simply video your golf swing action (face-on and DTL) to see if you can perform a golf swing pivot motion as described by Robert Baker in his video lesson, and as performed by you in your baseball throw action video. Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 5, 2012 20:25:26 GMT -5
In a recent thread, I talked about Greg McHatton's handle-dragging swing action as being the antithesis of BM's rotation-about-the-coupling point release action. See - newtongolfinstitute.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=golfinstruction&action=display&thread=335Here are capture images from the first part of the swing video. I think that Greg is demonstrating a quintessential handle-dragging TGM swing action. Note that he doesn't flip through impact and he maintains a FLW/intact LAFW. I think that his handle-dragging swing action could also be described as "backing the shaft up" and I believe that it is only biomechanically possible if one has the optimum kinetic sequence - as described in my previous posts #8 and #11. Note how he maintains a stable clubface that still faces the target after impact - image 2 - and that is "something" that cannot easily occur if one "throws the cluibhead at the ball" using the BM/MJ rotation-about-the-coupling point swing technique. Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 6, 2012 10:47:56 GMT -5
You missed the point of the exercise, it was just to execute a side arm throw and study the mechanic. If I would have aimed the throw at a position where a ball was, or just slightly forward the right arm would not have been nearly that high, look at all the space I had to get it down.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 6, 2012 10:49:49 GMT -5
Greg, Video your golf swing using the following deliberate swing actions. Start the downswing as follows-: 1) Shift your pelvis targetwards onto a straightening left leg that allows you to generate a positive O factor. Make sure that you "feel" immediate weight transfer onto the straightening left leg. 2) Make sure that you "feel" that your navel is leading the mid-torso in a direction that is right-of-the-target as your pelvis becomes open before impact. Make sure that you "feel" that this motion causes your right shoulder to drop more downwards in a "ferris-wheel" manner. Don't worry if your clubshaft falls behind you in an underplane manner. Resist any temptation to start the downswing with an upper body and/or arm motion that throws the arms/clubshaft in front of your body. Have the "feeling" that you are leaving your hands/club behind you as you start the downswing with a Hogan-style lower body motion. Try and look like Hogan in this posed photo. perfectgolfswingreview.net/GolfPerfect-FofH-elbowleading.jpg [/img] Note how Hogan's navel is facing right-of-the-target and that his pelvis is opening to the target. Note how its "appears" as if his power package is falling behind him, and that his arms/club is not in front of his rotating torso. Don't worry about your ball flight - simply video your golf swing action (face-on and DTL) to see if you can perform a golf swing pivot motion as described by Robert Baker in his video lesson, and as performed by you in your baseball throw action video. Jeff. [/quote] Went to the range yesterday before I saw this post. Progress was made but I did not want to film it yet.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 11, 2012 12:44:26 GMT -5
Greg, just tear the cover off that mofo.
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