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Post by dubiousgolfer on Feb 8, 2020 10:25:59 GMT -5
I've been looking at several videos below regarding suggestions for 'best' or 'easier' swings for senior golfers who lack flexibility.
Very confusing and seems to be a mix of :
Closing Stance (Maude/Cogorno) Flaring right foot in backswing (Maude/Cogorno) Flaring left foot at address or swivelling it through impact (Ballard) Lifting left heel in backswing (Ballard) Early extension in downswing (Cogorno) Roller hand release using active left forearm rotation through impact (Cogorno) Crossover-hand release action (Maude) CP arm release (Danny Maude) CF Arm release (Cogorno) Allow head to swivel (Maude/Ballard) Left heel lifting in backswing, Right heel lifting in downswing - Promoting Brian Sparks lower pivot action ( La Danse du Golf) from his book 'Positive Impact Golf' (Maude)
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Post by dubiousgolfer on Feb 9, 2020 9:36:22 GMT -5
Here's another by AMG
Closed Stance Flare Right Foot (also some left foot flare) Left Heel raised in backswing Arm swing with reactive pivot Flip Roll Hand Release action
The one thing that seems to be missing from all these videos is the importance of loading PA#2 to create clubhead speed.
DG
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 9, 2020 11:39:40 GMT -5
DG,
I don't know how best to reply to your request for my personal opinions on recommended swing modifications for senior golfers - because I have so much to say about this topic. As you know, I am a senior golfer (aged 71 years) who has many inflexibility problems (especially spinal flexibility) and I have had to adopt a number of swing modifications to accommodate that fact. If I responded to your post with a detailed reply, it would be equivalent to writing a review paper of ~100 letter-sized pages in length. In fact, on reflection, I should probably write a review paper on the topic or do a video project on the topic.
The topic is complex because different seniors have different types of flexibility issues. The standard address/backswing recommendations (eg. closed foot stance, flaring the right foot, lifting the left heel, straightening the right leg, allowing the head to swivel) are correct, but I have a lot to say about the pros/cons of each of those swing modifications. The same applies to the downswing modifications (using an arm swing motion with a reactive pivot motion, swinging in => out towards right field, using a hand-crossover release action or flip-roll release) where I have lot to say about the pros/cons of each of the suggestions made by the different golf instructors featured in those swing videos you referenced.
I will think about the advisability of writing a number of posts where I deal with each swing modification separately, but it may be too time-consuming and labor-intensive an endeavour because I have so much to say about each swing modification.
Jeff.
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Post by syllogist on Feb 9, 2020 12:04:34 GMT -5
DG,
The lists of recommendations you gleaned from the various videos can be broken down into two categories: Inflexibility and loss of distance. Distance is based on technique given one's physical ability to generate force, which applies to all golfers and not just seniors. The inflexibility issues listed appear to deal with hip and torso inflexibility. The backswing of the arms may also involve inflexibility. Just my personal opinion but I think it's best simply to make a shorter backswing in order to maintain the essence of good technique.
Pain with inflexibility is a different matter. Recovery time or complete abandonment is the remedy for pain.
S
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 9, 2020 12:48:36 GMT -5
DG, The lists of recommendations you gleaned from the various videos can be broken down into two categories: Inflexibility and loss of distance. Distance is based on technique given one's physical ability to generate force, which applies to all golfers and not just seniors. The inflexibility issues listed appear to deal with hip and torso inflexibility. The backswing of the arms may also involve inflexibility. Just my personal opinion but I think it's best simply to make a shorter backswing in order to maintain the essence of good technique. Pain with inflexibility is a different matter. Recovery time or complete abandonment is the remedy for pain. S The topic of this thread is swing modifications for senior (inflexible) golfers.
I think that a shorter backswing is the incorrect advice for a senior golfer because he does not have the muscular power to perform a downswing efficiently from a shortened backswing position (as seen in Jon Rahm's golf swing action) and I think that a shortened backswing is a "death move" if he plans to perform a TGM swinging action rather than a TGM hitting action. I think that a longer backswing action is more optimum and that's why the standard advice (eg. closed foot stance, flaring right foot, allowing the right knee to straighten, allowing the left heel to raise up, allowing the head to swivel clockwise) in order to get a larger degree of pelvic rotation during the backswing makes so much sense. Another way to get a longer backswing action in a senior golfer would be to extend the right side of the upper torso combined with the use of an arch-extension maneuver, which is combined with a steeper left arm motion, but that combination has the huge disadvantage that it will likely result in an OTT move at the start of the downswing and an out-to-in clubhead path through impact.
Jeff.
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Post by syllogist on Feb 10, 2020 15:45:53 GMT -5
Dr Mann, A 3/4 swing isn't the answer? I suppose, too, that it depends on the type and degree of inflexibility one has. Years back, Arnold Palmer worked with Roger Fredericks for flexibility training. Arnold mentioned that his keys had always been to turn the hips and shoulders through the ball. He referred to this as "getting deep into the shot." Take a look at Arnold in this video with Roger. I think it was taken about six months after Arnold started the program. At about the 2 min. mark he makes a swing with a driver. I'm not even sure that it's as much as a 3/4 backswing but he sure was able to "get through the shot." www.youtube.com/watch?v=fybFYmgd53US
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 10, 2020 16:45:24 GMT -5
Dr Mann, A 3/4 swing isn't the answer? I suppose, too, that it depends on the type and degree of inflexibility one has. Years back, Arnold Palmer worked with Roger Fredericks for flexibility training. Arnold mentioned that his keys had always been to turn the hips and shoulders through the ball. He referred to this as "getting deep into the shot." Take a look at Arnold in this video with Roger. I think it was taken about six months after Arnold started the program. At about the 2 min. mark he makes a swing with a driver. I'm not even sure that it's as much as a 3/4 backswing but he sure was able to "get through the shot." www.youtube.com/watch?v=fybFYmgd53US If a senior golfer can "get through the shot" very efficiently, then he may indeed be able to have a shorter backswing and still swing effectively. However, I can readily imagine that senior golfers who cannot easily "get through the shot" will benefit by using a longer backswing wind-up technique. Jeff.
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