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Post by richie3jack on Feb 3, 2011 10:56:31 GMT -5
3Jack, Is that your golf grip on the clubs you play? What kind of grip is it... ? Rand No. That's an old Golf Pride green grips. I have one on my Cleveland Persimmon driver. I took a pic with that because I thought it would show up better in the picture than the other grips I have. It's slick and worn and needs to be replaced. I might try to get that done on Friday. 3JACK |
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 3, 2011 11:07:31 GMT -5
Thats pretty much the same grip I use now Richie, at first it felt so strong but now I am used to it.
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 3, 2011 12:49:36 GMT -5
The left hand grip didn't feel so bad. I had that for a couple of weeks and George pointed out that I needed to grip it in the base of the fingers instead of heel pad. That actually didn't feel so bad. The long left thumb was an adjustment though. And my right hand grip getting stronger and no gap between the right thumb and index finger is still a little funky to me at times.
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 3, 2011 12:58:06 GMT -5
3jack,
You write about having a strong right hand grip. Does that mean that your right palm doesn't face the target at impact and that it is facing more skywards (outwards towards the ball-target line)? What is the advantage of that "strong right hand" grip choice?
Jeff.
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 3, 2011 13:59:06 GMT -5
I've never really looked at what my right palm is doing at impact, but I would *imagine* it is still facing the target. The strong right hand is just compatible with the strong left hand and that's why it's done IMO. I think the strong left hand is advantageous to many golfers because it will slow down the overtaking rates. So if you went neutral or weak with the right hand and strong with the left, it would cause issues. I don't think our philosophies differ as far as getting the hands to 'match up' with each other in the grip (i.e. strong left and strong right or weak left and weak right)
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 4, 2011 1:22:11 GMT -5
3jack, I find your answer to be irrational. Here is an example of a strong left hand and strong right hand grip.  Image 3 and image 4 demonstrate a strong left hand grip and an equally strong right hand grip. How can the palm of the right hand face the target at impact if a golfer adopts a grip as shown in image 3/4? It is my position that a golfer should never adopt a strong right hand grip even if the left hand grip is strong. If a golfer decides to adopt a strong right hand grip, then he has to make sure that the right palm does not face the target at impact if he wants to avoid closing the clubface markedly and thereby smothering the ball. He has to reach impact with his right palm in the same alignment (facing skywards) that it has at address (as shown in image 4), so that the clubface can be square to the target. Jeff. |
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Feb 4, 2011 8:32:32 GMT -5
3Jack,
What are the "the overtaking rates"?
Rand
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 4, 2011 12:12:35 GMT -5
aimsmithgolf - overtaking rates is when on the downswing the clubhead moves past the left arm. Sorta like 'throwaway' and 'flipping.' Particularly at and thru impact. Once that shaft is not in a straight line with the left arm thru impact, they say the clubhead is 'overtaking' the hands.
So the sooner the clubhead overtakes the hands, that is considered a high overtaking rate. Somebody like Zach Johnson keeps the left arm and clubshaft, straight line relationship for a long time into his follow thru is considered to have a 'slow overtaking rate.'
Fast overtaking rates are not necessarily bad, especially if you want to hit it high. What some S&T golfers do is they do something called 'pivot braking.' You may have heard of the 'pivot stall' where the pivot going thru impact will come to a halt. Pivot braking means the pivot going thru impact slows down. This is done by some people on purprose in order to increase the overtaking rates so they can hit it higher and sometimes can hit it longer.
I'm not really a fan of seeing it done, but whenever you see an S&T guy with those funky abbreviated finishes, it's pretty likely they are trying to do some pivot braking (and usually they do it to hit it longer).
JEFF - I don't see the logic in your thoughts about the right hand grip. First, a strong left and a neutral right means that the hands are not very compatible with each other. Second, your theory that one would have to worry about the right hand square up to the target and smothering the ball could really apply to any grip you choose. If you were neutral grip, you'd have to worry about not returning the right hand back to the target...too strong at impact, you get a wide open face, too much and you smother it. Same with weak grips or whatever the golfer chooses.
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 4, 2011 12:35:31 GMT -5
3jack, You wrote-: "First, a strong left and a neutral right means that the hands are not very compatible with each other." What do you mean by "not being compatible"? There is no law that states that the palms must face each other across the grip - if the golfer doesn't have a neutral left hand grip. Here is Jamie Sadlowski's grip.  He has a strong left hand grip and a neutral right hand grip. By adopting a neutral right hand grip, he can get the palm of the right hand to face the target during the late downswing (when the right forearm paddlewheels into impact).  Jeff. |
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 4, 2011 12:54:49 GMT -5
That doesn't look neutral right grip to me.
And like I said, it doesn't make a difference what grip you use, weak, neutral, strong, there's always a chance of turning the hand over too much or not enough.
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 4, 2011 13:31:19 GMT -5
3jack,
If you don't think that Jamie Sadlowski has a neutral right hand grip, then please explain why the distal/peripheral of his right radius bone (just above right wrist level) is facing skywards (outwards toward the ball-target line) and why his right forearm is not in a supinated position (that would cause the distal end of his radius bone to face away from the target) - at address?
Jeff.
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 4, 2011 13:47:17 GMT -5
How can we tell from that camera angle?
And again, I don't see what difference it really makes to your original point. If I have a neutral right hand I still have to worry about whether or not I can return the right hand at impact so it is facing the target.
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 4, 2011 16:57:18 GMT -5
3jack I think that it is very significant if one has a neutral right hand grip at address, because it allows the right palm to face the target at impact when the right forearm paddlewheels into impact - without using any right forearm rotary motion. Look at Jamie's right forearm in this next sequence - note that he doesn't rotate his right forearm during the late downswing (when he straightens his right arm). I am baffled by your inference that the camera angle makes it difficult to roughly discern the direction that the distal end of the radius bone is facing - the distal end of the left radius bone is facing away from the target while the distal end of the right radius bone is not oriented in the same direction. Jeff. |
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