Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 11, 2024 14:14:11 GMT -5
Watch this Milo Lines video on the topic of clubshaft shallowing.
Milo has done a number of videos on the topic of clubshaft shallowing and this latest video is the worst example because it is full of wrongheaded information.
The video starts off with Henry Fall demonstrating the "dish-it-out" move, which is a move where the trail wrist moves from radial deviation towards ulnar deviation at the start of the downswing. Of course, one should not ulnar-deviate the trail wrist at the start of the downswing as that would predispose to casting. Also, I have never seen any golf instructor recommend the "dish-it-out" move as a clubshaft shallowing move, so I don't know why they even discuss this crazy "dish-it-out" move!
Henry Fall then holds a cellphone in his hand and states that the front-face of the cellphone should face the DTL camera during the early downswing's shallowing move. That's incorrect! The cellphone is parallel to his trail palm and it should be parallel to the swingplane between P4 => P6 and it should become progressively more horizontal relative to the ground if the clubshaft is progressively being shallowed-out between P4 => P6 to a progressively more shallow swingplane.
At the 2:05 - 2:08 minute time point of the video HF shows a clubshaft shallowing move where the baseball bat falls behind him to a shallower plane. However, HF/ML do not discuss how it happens from a biomechanical perspective and they only show a video-short of a baseball player (Albert Pujols) shallowing his baseball bat.
Here are capture images from the video showing how Albert Pujols shallows his bat during his early downswing action.
Milo has done a number of videos on the topic of clubshaft shallowing and this latest video is the worst example because it is full of wrongheaded information.
The video starts off with Henry Fall demonstrating the "dish-it-out" move, which is a move where the trail wrist moves from radial deviation towards ulnar deviation at the start of the downswing. Of course, one should not ulnar-deviate the trail wrist at the start of the downswing as that would predispose to casting. Also, I have never seen any golf instructor recommend the "dish-it-out" move as a clubshaft shallowing move, so I don't know why they even discuss this crazy "dish-it-out" move!
Henry Fall then holds a cellphone in his hand and states that the front-face of the cellphone should face the DTL camera during the early downswing's shallowing move. That's incorrect! The cellphone is parallel to his trail palm and it should be parallel to the swingplane between P4 => P6 and it should become progressively more horizontal relative to the ground if the clubshaft is progressively being shallowed-out between P4 => P6 to a progressively more shallow swingplane.
At the 2:05 - 2:08 minute time point of the video HF shows a clubshaft shallowing move where the baseball bat falls behind him to a shallower plane. However, HF/ML do not discuss how it happens from a biomechanical perspective and they only show a video-short of a baseball player (Albert Pujols) shallowing his baseball bat.
Here are capture images from the video showing how Albert Pujols shallows his bat during his early downswing action.
How does he shallow his baseball bat between image 1 => image2?
It is not due to bowing his lead wrist - note that it is cupped in image 1 and image 2; and it is not due to changing his degree of trail wrist extension.
It is due to his active trail upper arm adduction move that drops his trail elbow below his lead elbow => note how it causes the back of his lead hand to become more horizontal relative to the ground, which requires that the lead forearm become more pronated. That's the correct way to shallow the clubshaft in the early downswing and that is exactly how Milo shallows his clubshaft in his early downswing action.
Capture images of Milo Lines' clubshaft shallowing action.
The red splined path is his hand arc path.
Note how Milo shallows his clubshaft between P4 (image 1) and P5 (image 3) - it is due to his active trail upper arm adduction move that drops his trail elbow below his lead elbow => note how it causes the back of Milo's lead hand to become more horizontal relative to the ground, which means that his lead forearm has to be pronating more. Note how much more the back of his lead hand is becoming more horizontal relative to the ground between P5 (image 3) and P5.5 (image 5) as he continues to shallow-out his clubshaft even more, and that requires even more lead forearm pronation combined with an increased amount of trail forearm supination.
Then, note how HF demonstrates a clubshaft shallowing move in a similar manner to Albert Pujols between the 2:25 - 2:49 minute time point of the video.
Here are capture images of his demonstration.
Note how HF is shallowing his clubshaft in the correct manner by dropping his trail elbow below his lead elbow in such a manner that the back of his lead hand becomes more horizontal relative to the ground.
However, HF wrongheadedly claims that his "demonstrated clubshaft shallowing move" will open his clubface too much so that he will reach the P6+ position (image 2) with a clubface that is too open, and HF wrongheadedly states that one then either has to slow-down the club release action or perform some unspecified "covering action" (? pre-impact flipping action) to get the clubface to become square by impact. That's a totally wrongheaded opinion (that is also echoed by Milo when he states at the 2:39 minute time point of the video "that one then has to do some crazy stuff to figure out how to square it").
They are both wrong!
Note that the clubface is parallel to the back of his lead hand in image 1, which is entirely appropriate if one adopts a weak lead hand grip strength. Then, the clubface will still be parallel to the back of his lead hand at P6 (image 2) and the toe of the clubface wil be pointing straight-up. That does not mean that the clubface is too open and that's exactly what should happen if a golfer uses a weak lead hand grip combined with the intact LFFW/GFLW swing technique.
Consider Henrik Stenson's intact LFFW/GFLW swing technique when he shallows the clubshaft between P4 => P6.
Image 1 is at P4, image 2 is at P5 and image 3 is at P5.5.
Note that his clubface is continuously roughly parallel to the back of his lead hand (which is cupped, and not bowed) at P4, P5 and P5.5 while he is shallowing his clubshaft.
Here are capture images from a different viewing perspective.
Image 1 is at P5.2, image 2 is at P5.5 and image 3 is at P6.
Note that he continuously has a cupped lead wrist (= GFLW) and note that his clubface is continuously roughly parallel to the back of his lead hand and the watchface area of his lead lower forearm between P5.2 => P6. I think that it is totally wrongheaded to claim that his clubface is too open or that he will have to perform "some crazy stuff in his later downswing after P6" in order to square his clubface by impact. In fact, Henrik will square his clubface by impact in the standard manner used by most pro golfers - by performing a PA#3 release action between P6 => P7.
Here are capture images of Henrik's PA#3 release action (which is biomechanically due to lead forearm supination).
Image 1 is at P6.5. Note that the back of his lead hand is nearly facing the ball-target line and note that his clubface is roughly parallel to the back of his lead hand, but still very open relative to his clubhead path.
Note how Henrik rotates the back of his lead hand counterclockwise between P6.5 => P7 (image 4) secondary to a lead forearm supinatory action so that the back of his lead hand faces the target at impact, and note that his clubface rotates at the same rotational speed because he uses the intact LFFW/GFLW swing technique. That's the standard manner that most pro golfers use to square their clubface relative to the clubhead path by impact.
ML/HF imply in the video that a golfer must use the reverse motorcycle move between P4 => P6 and they wrongheadedly imply that it will decrease the need for any lead forearm supinatory motion between P6 => P7. They are wrong with respect to both claims! A pro golfer, who uses the intact LFFW/GFLW swing technique, is not obliged to use the reverse motorcycle move and even if he did it would not decrease the amount of lead forearm supination required between P6 => P7. I discussed this issue in this post - newtongolfinstitute.proboards.com/thread/1089/brendon-devores-opinions-driver-straight?page=1&scrollTo=13736
Jeff.