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Post by wedgey on Dec 7, 2010 22:44:06 GMT -5
Wedgey, You wrote-: "think twistaway just squares the face up or even closes it." If you believe that, please provide a logical cause-and-effect explanation? Jeff. You must of misunderstood me as i said this,at the end of my post..... I don't know Jeff what do you think?
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Post by wedgey on Dec 7, 2010 22:47:36 GMT -5
What makes the ball go right? An open clubface. Whether it's open to the target or open relative to the player it's still open. All that the twist away move does is ensure you don't hit the inside half of the ball instead you hit the outside half. That was once thought taboo. The only way to say someone has hit the "inside" half of the ball with a "closed" clubface is if you change reference points in mid sentences. As in, "Inside half of the ball relative to the target and closed face relative to the player". Changing reference points in mid sentence? That makes absolutely no sense. Please clarify That said "Going right" and "slice" are not the same thing. A slice is when the ball starts right then goes farther right. Clockwise Spin when viewed from above is what makes it go father right while in flight. All that brown stinky stuff about inside half / outside half impact is the "baffle them with bull****" clueless instructors spew in their futile attempt to cover-up their ignorance of the science. Are you saying golfers that start the ball left and then the ball curves back to the right past the intended target on the right of said target are not slicing the ball? What is the term you would use?
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 7, 2010 23:34:32 GMT -5
Doesnt twist away open the club face ? No, it closes the face. It's not *that* radical because in MORAD they teach something similar in the backswing as they want the golfer to flatten out the left wrist on the backswing.
3JACK I have noticed this happening to my wrist as of late, why is it preferable?
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Post by nmgolfer on Dec 8, 2010 0:11:32 GMT -5
Not saying that... Put it this way... curve right in air (rhg) = slice Are you saying golfers that start the ball left and then the ball curves back to the right past the intended target on the right of said target are not slicing the ball? What is the term you would use?
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Post by wedgey on Dec 8, 2010 0:17:44 GMT -5
Not saying that... Put it this way... curve right in air (rhg) = slice Are you saying golfers that start the ball left and then the ball curves back to the right past the intended target on the right of said target are not slicing the ball? What is the term you would use? Okay, just confused when you said ball starts right.
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Post by richie3jack on Dec 8, 2010 10:34:42 GMT -5
I have noticed this happening to my wrist as of late, why is it preferable? MORAD prefers what pop golf instruction would say is a closed face at p4. MORAD says that a square face in pop golf instruction is too open. That's what that arch move that flattens out the left wrist helps with, getting the face where they prefer it to be which is 'closed' by standard golf instruction terms. I think it also helps with hand path to some degree. 3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 8, 2010 10:42:53 GMT -5
3jack,
That seemingly means that MORAD wants a non-intact LAFW.
Why?
Jeff.
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Post by ringer on Dec 8, 2010 13:11:18 GMT -5
Ringer, I still don't understand how a twistaway moves the clubface angle to a different ball-striking orientation, so that it will hit the ball on the outside half. Dustin Johnson has an arched left wrist at his end-backswing position - I don't believe that he hits the outside half of the ball. I think that he hits the back of the ball. If a golfer hits the outside half of the ball, then how can he hit it straight? Jeff. It's anti-slice. A pull isn't a slice.... and that's the point. Once you can get a golfer to stop hitting a curving shot that goes right, you can adjust the path and reorient the location on the ball that the clubface strikes it.
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Post by ringer on Dec 8, 2010 13:21:19 GMT -5
What makes the ball go right? An open clubface. Whether it's open to the target or open relative to the player it's still open. All that the twist away move does is ensure you don't hit the inside half of the ball instead you hit the outside half. That was once thought taboo. The only way to say someone has hit the "inside" half of the ball with a "closed" clubface is if you change reference points in mid sentences. As in, "Inside half of the ball relative to the target and closed face relative to the player". Changing reference points in mid sentence? That makes absolutely no sense. Please clarify Am I missing something or didn't you just underline the two different reference points? I don't know how I could possibly clarify it any more than it already is. I would agree that the inside aft quadrant stuff is bunk. That's actually the point of my statement. As for going right, yes I know it's different but I was just saying it for simplicity. It is VERY difficult to actually get a clubface closed relative to the target and still create a slice. It can be done, but it's not what most people do to create one.
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Post by ringer on Dec 8, 2010 13:24:45 GMT -5
3jack, That seemingly means that MORAD wants a non-intact LAFW. Why? Jeff. Why do you NEED an intact LAFW to begin with?
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Post by nmgolfer on Dec 8, 2010 13:31:53 GMT -5
Changing reference points in mid sentence? That makes absolutely no sense. Please clarify Am I missing something or didn't you just underline the two different reference points? I don't know how I could possibly clarify it any more than it already is. I would agree that the inside aft quadrant stuff is bunk. That's actually the point of my statement. As for going right, yes I know it's different but I was just saying it for simplicity. It is VERY difficult to actually get a clubface closed relative to the target and still create a slice. It can be done, but it's not what most people do to create one. I didn't underline anything and your post still makes no sense at all but we can agree that its much harder to put slice spin on a ball struck by a club face that is closed relative to the target line than it is one that is open.
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Post by ringer on Dec 8, 2010 13:36:58 GMT -5
Am I missing something or didn't you just underline the two different reference points? I don't know how I could possibly clarify it any more than it already is. I would agree that the inside aft quadrant stuff is bunk. That's actually the point of my statement. As for going right, yes I know it's different but I was just saying it for simplicity. It is VERY difficult to actually get a clubface closed relative to the target and still create a slice. It can be done, but it's not what most people do to create one. I didn't underline anything and your post still makes no sense at all but we can agree that its much harder to put slice spin on a ball struck by a club face that is closed relative to the target line than it is one that is open. You're right, sorry... I underlined the two reference points in my original post. The reference point changed in my sentence from the target line to the player. That is the only way one could seemingly "close" the clubface and still hit the inside aft quadrant. That inside aft quadrant would have to be relative to the target and the clubface would have to be closed relative to the player. There are your two different perspectives.
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Post by nmgolfer on Dec 8, 2010 13:45:30 GMT -5
I didn't underline anything and your post still makes no sense at all but we can agree that its much harder to put slice spin on a ball struck by a club face that is closed relative to the target line than it is one that is open. You're right, sorry... I underlined the two reference points in my original post. The reference point changed in my sentence from the target line to the player. That is the only way one could seemingly "close" the clubface and still hit the inside aft quadrant. That inside aft quadrant would have to be relative to the target and the clubface would have to be closed relative to the player. There are your two different perspectives. OK peace... getting way off topic here... stiff fail to see how twistaway is any sort of cure for grazing impact problems. I guess in some people's minds there a connection.
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Post by richie3jack on Dec 8, 2010 14:27:34 GMT -5
OK peace... getting way off topic here... stiff fail to see how twistaway is any sort of cure for grazing impact problems. I guess in some people's minds there a connection. I agree with Brian that the clubface is the biggest issue for slicers and that it is too often ignored. I thought the Haney Project with Ray Romano showed this issue pretty clearly. Romano had a very open clubface at impact. And even when Romano got his clubpath relatively square to the target, if the face was wide open, he would still slice it way to the right. The twistaway is a way that the golfer can prevent that clubface from getting open. Like I mentioned earlier, the twistaway is part of the video 'NEVER Slice Again.' But that does not mean that the golfer will hit everything flush or will not hook it. My dad is a good example of a golfer who has a path very outside-to-in. But he has a closed face at impact. He hits more of a fade when he hits it decent. But it's far from a slice. I think if you can keep the clubface closed like Never Slice Again prescribes with the 'twistaway', it will be hard to ever hit a slice. You may start snap hooking it, but slice's will be hard to come by. 3JACK
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