Post by imperfectgolfer on Jun 30, 2012 18:33:11 GMT -5
When BM first talked about an out-toss maneuver, he advocated the maneuver for all golfers during phase 1 of the downswing. Now, he is reversing himself and stating that he only recommends it for a small percentage of his students.
See - http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/17401-out-toss-now-page-2-explanation-brian-manzella.html
In post #14, BM states-: "The "OUT-TOSS" is a feel that a golfer may employ to help him get from the top of the swing to a location later in the downswing.
During the US OPEN, I gave nearly 200 lessons at the Sports Illustrated at the Majors promotion in Union Square. I didn't use the concept one single time."
Now, he states that the out-toss is a "feel" which means that it is not really a biomechanical action, and he states that he didn't recommend it once during 200 lessons.
He now even has two versions.
This is his description.
"In version "A" above, the inset of Tiger at impact was used to "grab" his impact arms, and rotate them to the top of the swing. This "OUT-TOSS" will feel like the golfer is lining up his arms and club from the top, usually in the directions shown.
Obviously, this is done when the golfer is making a normal downswing pivot, but it is often accompanied by the feeling of keeping the back to the target.
In version "B" above, the inset of Tiger just past last parallel was used to "grab" his arm hand and club location, and rotate them to the top of the swing. This "OUT-TOSS" will feel like the golfer is lining up his arms from the top, often for width purposes, and the club portion will on have a little bit of a toss component."
I don't really know what BM means when he states 'lining up his arms from the top", but I think that there is ZERO justification for an out-toss maneuver at the start of the downswing if the left arm is straight at the end-backswing position. I think that one should move the entire power package (LAFW and unloaded RFFW/right arm component of the power package) intact from P4 to roughly P6 as a result of Hogan's magic move - lower body move action which activates the entire pivot action (first lower body and then upper torso) in the correct kinetic sequence. His first version (where the right elbow has already straightened) is logically meaningless because the power package (internal right arm/RFFW relationship) should not unravel between P4 and ~P6.
Jeff.
See - http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/17401-out-toss-now-page-2-explanation-brian-manzella.html
In post #14, BM states-: "The "OUT-TOSS" is a feel that a golfer may employ to help him get from the top of the swing to a location later in the downswing.
During the US OPEN, I gave nearly 200 lessons at the Sports Illustrated at the Majors promotion in Union Square. I didn't use the concept one single time."
Now, he states that the out-toss is a "feel" which means that it is not really a biomechanical action, and he states that he didn't recommend it once during 200 lessons.
He now even has two versions.
This is his description.
"In version "A" above, the inset of Tiger at impact was used to "grab" his impact arms, and rotate them to the top of the swing. This "OUT-TOSS" will feel like the golfer is lining up his arms and club from the top, usually in the directions shown.
Obviously, this is done when the golfer is making a normal downswing pivot, but it is often accompanied by the feeling of keeping the back to the target.
In version "B" above, the inset of Tiger just past last parallel was used to "grab" his arm hand and club location, and rotate them to the top of the swing. This "OUT-TOSS" will feel like the golfer is lining up his arms from the top, often for width purposes, and the club portion will on have a little bit of a toss component."
I don't really know what BM means when he states 'lining up his arms from the top", but I think that there is ZERO justification for an out-toss maneuver at the start of the downswing if the left arm is straight at the end-backswing position. I think that one should move the entire power package (LAFW and unloaded RFFW/right arm component of the power package) intact from P4 to roughly P6 as a result of Hogan's magic move - lower body move action which activates the entire pivot action (first lower body and then upper torso) in the correct kinetic sequence. His first version (where the right elbow has already straightened) is logically meaningless because the power package (internal right arm/RFFW relationship) should not unravel between P4 and ~P6.
Jeff.