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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 1, 2012 9:19:50 GMT -5
Consider BM's thread on terminology www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/17408-class-project-terminology.htmlI have noted that even the BM groupies are asking BM to define his terms in a grammatical correct and scientifically sound manner. That would be a first! BM has a marked tendency to be very imprecise in his descriptions of golf swing mechanics/biomechanics, and it is going to be interesting to see whether he can actually define his personal terms in a scientifically sound manner. This type of BM-definition is both grammatically and scientifically unsound/imprecise/incoherent. " Sit in the chair - From the top of the swing, finding a location from the rear end to get into before in which to goes the golfer goes downward into the ground." Does BM actually think deeply before he posts? Here is another imprecise BM-definition. " Manzella Neutral Grip - The score lines on the clubface perfectly matching the flat left wrist." Is he referring to a GFLW or an AFLW? Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 1, 2012 20:53:38 GMT -5
Here is Kevin Shields explaining what is meant by the BM/MJ term "replacing the left arm".
"1 and 2. Swinging the left arm so that it is always (from the DTL view) to the left of a vertical line from the shoulder in the downswing. Then swings vertically approaching impact then replaces the space it occupied at address."
Wow! I wonder if BM and Mike Jacobs will agree with that personal interpretative definition.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 2, 2012 15:19:59 GMT -5
I have no problem with layman-terms if they are consonant with the scientific terms that accurately describe reality, and if the layman-term descriptions are clearly expressed and unambiguous.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 2, 2012 15:26:21 GMT -5
Here is Art's comment from that BM-forum thread on the "out-toss" move.
"In general it goes something like this. With counterclockwise 'twist' the predominant characteristic of a right hander's explosive down swing, it is easy to see the potential and IMO major role of the relationship of the left shoulder to the diagonal right hip, and yes, the KIB part of BBKIB plays a role here. So as you OT, you can see a definite effect on the changing position and path of the left shoulder complex, especially with regard to its relationship to the upper body/core, and more especially (if correct English) to the resultant 'dynamic' characteristics including range and torque generating capability of the lead shoulder complex."
He may be using layman-terms, but he is habitually incapable of expressing himself in a coherent. easy-to-understand manner.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 3, 2012 14:02:03 GMT -5
Lia posted this photo sequence of Gary Player's swing in the BM-forum thread on terminology. Lia then stated-: "As his hands travel horizontally, from a down the line view, from his heel line to toe line (lines drawn perpendicular to the ground from the toes and heels, there's a substantial amount of supination of the left arm and on a fairly steep angle". I think that Lia's comments are totally wrong-headed. The right palm is not facing the ground between P4 and P6 - it is parallel to the inclined plane. Also, the left hand's knuckles do not face the ground due to a left forearm supination action. If Gary Player supinated his left forearm between P4 and P5.5 (during the time period represented by those three sequential images) then the clubshaft would move over-the-plane and that phenomenon is not happening in his mid-downswing. His clubshaft is coming down the inclined plane (along a shallow plane angle) - and note that the clubface is parallel to the inclined plane at P5/P5.5 and also parallel to his lower left forearm. Watch the video carefully between P5.5 and P6.5 - note that GP's clubface becomes more closed to the clubhead arc between P5.5 and P6.5 and that is due to the finger torquing action that accompanies an active left palmar flexion motion. There is no left forearm supination happening during this time period - as Lia asserts. I discussed this biomechanical phenomenon in my U-stream video. www.ustream.tv/recorded/23179003Jeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 13, 2012 13:19:24 GMT -5
I've worked with or at least spent some time with many of the "Top 20" instructors in the country. I think Brian Manzella would be in the top 5 in the country, especially if your metric is a teacher's ability to actually get people hitting the ball better. My opinion for better or worse.
Jeff, who are your top 5 instructors in terms of their ability to use precise terminology in their teaching, in regards to both the anatomy and the mechanical movements of the swing?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 13, 2012 13:43:49 GMT -5
I don't know of any golf instructor who is precise in their use of mechanical/biomechanical terminology.
I never comment on BM's (or any golf instructor's) ability to personally teach golf, and I only comment on a golf instructor's intellectual understanding of golf swing mechanics/biomechanics. I think that BM has a very poor understanding of golf swing mechanics/biomechanics and I think that he has many personal/ideological opinions (eg. rotation-about-the-coupling point hand release action) that are wildly irrational.
Jeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 13, 2012 14:38:24 GMT -5
If there are no instructors who are precise in their use of mechanical/biomechanical terminology, are there any at all that come reasonably close?
Also, who in your opinion, instructor or not, is the most knowledgeable about golf swing mechanics/biomechanics?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 13, 2012 17:48:40 GMT -5
I think that Lynn Blake is by the far the best in this regard - even though he is too rigidly TGM-biased. I think that his understanding of TGM mechanics is unsurpassed and he has a great capacity to express his opinions in a logical/coherent explanatory manner. I would highly recommend his "Alignment Golf" DVD if you are not a BM-groupie who is rigidly opposed to any TGM-influences. www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.php/DVDs/Alignment-Golf/flypage.tpl.htmlJeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 13, 2012 18:28:01 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I am a BM-groupie....but I'm not opposed to TGM-influences. I think there is a lot to learn from every discipline.
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Post by bullet on Jul 27, 2012 11:12:49 GMT -5
Easily O Grady in the biomechanics , Tgm , way ahead of blake
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 27, 2012 13:25:50 GMT -5
Bullet,
You are entitled to your opinion, but that's an untestable opinion - because MOG's MORAD-opinions are not in the public sphere.
Jeff.
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Post by bullet on Jul 27, 2012 20:24:24 GMT -5
Well Jeff , first Mac spent a lot of time with Kelley ! Do you think Blake did? Second , go spend some time with the morad program and then you can test it
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