|
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 13, 2012 10:41:42 GMT -5
I have just discovered Patrick Hopper - another long-drive competitor. I noted that, like Mazza and Sadlowski, he uses a very strong left hand grip, which means that he doesn't have to use PA#3 in his downswing action. I think that's a great advantage of playing golf with a very strong left hand grip. Interestingly, like Sadlowski and Mazza, he maintains a functionally-flat left wrist and intact LAFW to well beyond impact. Note that he doesn't show any evidence of post-impact flipping (which is characteristic of BM's pinata-release action). Natep always argued that any attempt to maintain a FLW/intact LAFW to well beyond impact would decrease swing power, but the long-drive competitors hit 400 yard drives without following his advice. Jeff.
|
|
|
Post by cwdlaw223 on Dec 13, 2012 12:55:42 GMT -5
Jeff -
The picture you have above shows a bent left wrist IMO and this guy releases very closely to how Bman recommends. If a bent left wrist post-impact isn't a post impact flip as you describe above, what is?
|
|
|
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 13, 2012 14:05:34 GMT -5
cwdlaw223 - you wrote-: " The picture you have above shows a bent left wrist IMO and this guy releases very closely to how Bman recommends. If a bent left wrist post-impact isn't a post impact flip as you describe above, what is?"The photo doesn't show a bent left wrist. It is very important to understand that when one uses a very strong (4+ knuckle) left hand grip, that the back of the left hand is roughly parallel to the ball-target line through impact and it should always look cupped/scooped (even if the LAFW is intact), and it is the ulnar border of the left hand that must face the target. Also, to get a functionally flat left wrist at impact (where the clubface faces the target) the ulnar border of the left hand may have to be in a state of slight ulnar deviation. However, the left wrist is still a functionally-flat left wrist and the LAFW is still intact if the clubshaft and left forearm are in a straight line relationship at the P7.2 position - as is manifested in this photo. There is no post-impact flipping in this photo - as BM demonstrates in his pinata-release action in the next photo. Note that the clubshaft and left forearm are not in a straight line relationship due to post-impact flipping. If you cannot understand these facts, then you really need to view my video on the difference between a i) functionally flat left wrist and a ii) GFLW and an iii) AFLW. www.ustream.tv/recorded/27607360Jeff.
|
|
|
Post by cwdlaw223 on Dec 13, 2012 14:15:56 GMT -5
Jeff -
Now that's the type of detailed answer I like to see. I understand your position much better.
|
|
|
Post by cwdlaw223 on Dec 13, 2012 16:45:30 GMT -5
Jeff -
Have you ever though of making a thread to define all of the acronmyms that you use?
|
|
|
Post by gmbtempe on Dec 13, 2012 19:24:43 GMT -5
I loved playing with a very strong left hand grip, minimal release of #3 but there just were times when the face was too closed on the left hip was not clearing in a sufficient enough manner.
|
|
|
Post by imperfectgolfer on Dec 13, 2012 21:18:43 GMT -5
cwdlaw223,
I should produce a glossary to define the acronyms that I use (which is not very many). They are defined at a number of places in my many review papers, but the definitions are scattered about.
I would highly recommend that video I produced on the difference between a i) functionally flat left wrist and a ii) GFLW and an iii) AFLW.
I think that my most useful video is the Gotham Golf Blog video on the virtues of playing golf with an intact LAFW.
Jeff.
|
|
|
Post by cwdlaw223 on Dec 13, 2012 22:37:02 GMT -5
Jeff -
I enjoyed the detailed video and your perspective in the video. I think a summary of the accumulators, flat left wrist functions, hitting vs. swinging would be helpful. Generally communication breaks down over definitions and lack of detail.
|
|
|
Post by tapiosantala on Dec 14, 2012 1:13:45 GMT -5
Uuuh 1h37 minute to explain golf swing that can be explained in two minutes... ok, sometimes it takes three
|
|
|
Post by gmbtempe on Dec 14, 2012 9:29:24 GMT -5
Uuuh 1h37 minute to explain golf swing that can be explained in two minutes... ok, sometimes it takes three Many people like more details....I bet there are many who would say he left a whole bunch of stuff out.
|
|
|
Post by tapiosantala on Dec 15, 2012 9:03:49 GMT -5
Uuuh 1h37 minute to explain golf swing that can be explained in two minutes... ok, sometimes it takes three Many people like more details....I bet there are many who would say he left a whole bunch of stuff out. I know there is. And day after day, year after year my teaching gets more simple and less detailed after just few main points are understood. Had great meeting with Dariusz in Poland this autumn. After 20 minutes we looked to each other and he said "Look, no in 20 minutes we have gone through everything which is important in golf swing" And he was so right. After that it's players work to handle the club head and play the ball, not to hit the ball.
|
|
|
Post by cwdlaw223 on Dec 16, 2012 15:44:56 GMT -5
Tapio -
What are your main points?
|
|
|
Post by tapiosantala on Dec 16, 2012 15:53:12 GMT -5
Tapio - What are your main points? Swing it back to the point you support the weight of the club. Drop the face behind you (shaft flattening) as much you can Rotate everything around you from that "most loaded" point and prevent club face closing by keeping the right elbow in and hit with the safe that stays perpendicular to the target line. That's all about technical side. To teach that is more complicated but it has to be personal for everyone after seeing what they do and what they can do. All small things around the impact player should find by trying different things, not by someone who tells them what to do. Great words from someone: Best teachers are those who tell us where to look but not what to see.
|
|