Greg,
You wrote-: "
Are we not seeing the same thing, I have seen and read lots of discussion from KM on movements of the lower, mid, and upper torsro in terms of producing different alignments. Maybe you dont consider them related to moving a golf club, I do though."
If you do, then you should be able to explain them. What difference in torso movement is there between a flipper and a non-flipper, and what is the
specific causal biomechanical phenomenon that explains why the club flips, or doesn't flip? I am looking for a "direct" cause-and-effect relationship, and not some vaguely inferred "indirect" cause-and-effect relationship eg. the pelvis is more open in golfers who don't flip through impact. How can varying degrees of an "open pelvis" at impact
directly prevent, or cause, flipping?
I think that both you and Jeffy are looking in the wrong place. I believe that what allows a golfer to maintain a FLW/intact LAFW through impact betwen P7 and P7.7+ primarily lies in the
interaction between the left arm and the club, and it has nothing to do with the pivot.
Here I am demonstrating a backhanded tennis shot where I maintain a FLW/intact LAFW all the way from P7 to P8.
My ability to maintain a FLW, and avoid flipping, has nothing to with my pivot action (which is non-existent). It lies in the relationship between my left arm/FLW and the racquet.
The same situation applies to Sasho in this one-armed golf swing action.
He can maintain a FLW/intact LAFW to well beyond the P7.5 position, and it has nothing to with his pivot motion.
The same situation applies to Kellie who can maintain a FLW/intact LAFW to well beyond P7.5.
Why do you think that she is pivoting differently than a golfer who flips? Why don't you consider her left arm motion in relationship to the released club?
Jeffy is is obviously stymied and he cannot provide an answer. He can only stand on the sidelines, and make partisan comments. In the "hip stalling" thread, he has never provided
any biomechanical explanation regarding what allows a golfer to "drive" and "hold" a FLW/intact LAFW from P7 to P7.3+, and avoid flipping.
Here is an you-tube video containing many swings of Louis Ooosthuizen.
In the second swing he flips, and in the third swing he maintains a FLW/intact LAFW through the immediate impact zone (see image 3).
Second swingThird swingCan you see anything different in his pivot action that explains why he flips in one swing and doesn't flip in the other swing?
Then look at his left arm/FLW and right arm/hand motion in those two different swings. There is a clear difference that explains why he flips in the 2nd swing and doesn't flip in the 3rd swing.
Jeff.