Right hand coming off grip

[imperfectgolfer]

See this BM-thread started by a BM groupie.

www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/18087-theory-right-hand-coming-off-grip.html

He posted this photo of VJ Singh.



He then stated-: "I think that some players bottom hands are doing this is because, at that point in the swing, that is how the right hand can last help influence the upward "pull" of the club into impact. That's just the last flick that the right hand can contribute."

That theory may just top-my-charts for the stupidest suggestion ever originated by a BM groupie.

Jeff.

[imperfectgolfer]

Kevin Shields then suggested-: "All three get pretty deep, borderline stuck, close to the ball and sling it late. That, combined with trying not to hook it, contributes to the hand coming off IMO."

He is clueless about golf swing biomechanics. I feel sorry for his students.

Jeff.

[natep]

One of his students qualified for the Masters, and was ranked #1 amateur in the US if I'm not mistaken.

[imperfectgolfer]

Natep's comments only demonstrate that a skilled golfer can usually survive the potentially destructive golf instructional ideas perpetrated by their unknowledgeable golf instructor.

That's why David Toms is still such a great ball striker - he doesn't follow any of BM's irrational advice expressed in his "Ideas about the Release" video and he maintains a FLW/intact LAFW all the way from P4 to P7.5.



Jeff.

[imperfectgolfer]

Consider these two suggestions made by BM groupies.

mjs suggested-: "I think that some players bottom hands are doing this is because, at that point in the swing, that is how the right hand can last help influence the upward pull" of the club into impact. That's just the last flick that the right hand can contribute.""

mm suggested-: "I see it like dribbling a basketball or throwing a football, at the right tempo you can get a lot more snap on the ball if you use fingerTIPS late and very last."

Starting with the first suggestion. A golfer needs an upward pull at impact of 100lbs to counteract the CF-loading produced by the released club. This CP-force is provided by biomechanical phenomena that elevate the left shoulder socket eg. straightening of the left leg, extension of the left side of the torso and elevation of the left lateral clavicle. How can the right hand at impact provide any pulling-up force of any significant magnitude and why is it necessary? How would it increase clubhead speed if it doesn't change the hub path radius. Also, why would the right palm have to lose contact with PP#1 to apply that "upward force"? Where is there any evidence that VJ Singh'sj hub path radius is shortened in those particular swings when his rear palm loses contact with the left thumb/grip?

Consider the second suggestion - "getting more snap on the ball". Where is there any evidence that applying a last minute snap of the fingertips of the right hand can significantly increase clubhead speed? Where would that "last minute snapping" right hand push-force be applied - above or below the coupling point?



If that right hand push-force is applied below the coupling point, then it should produce a pro-flipping action. However, if you observe Freddie Couples, Phil Mickelson or VJ Singh with the rear hand off the club - you will note that they are never flipping and the LAFW remains intact through impact. FC does often flip through impact, but his rear hand remains on the club when he flips.



In image 1, FC is flipping after impact, but his right hand is still firmly on the club post-impact.

In image 2, FC is maintaining a FLW/intact LAFW while his rear hand is losing contact with the left thumb (PP#1) and the grip.

Could those three golfers then possibly be using a last minute right handed push-pressure snap action to get the FLW/intact LAFW to move faster through impact - by applying that push-force against PP#1? It is theoretically possible, but how does it benefit a golfer to move the FLW faster through impact? It cannot possibly increase CH speed to any significant degree.

So, could it have the benefit of applying a DH-force that stabilises the FLW through impact and make it easier to maintain an intact LAFW through impact? How could it if the right palm loses contact with PP#1 on the left thumb. I think that if one wanted to use the right hand to increase the stability of the DH-release action through impact, then one should come into impact with a still bent right elbow and still bent right wrist - like David Toms.

perfectgolfswingreview.net/TomsFollowthrough.jpg [/img]

If a golf researcher measured the push-pressure exerted by DT's right palm against PP#1 between P6.5 and P7.5 and showed that DT was exerting a positive push-pressure with his right palm during that time period, then I would have no problem accepting that "evidence" - because his right shoulder is well downplane, and his right arm is partially straight and he can obviously straighten it further between P7 and P7.5 and thereby apply that necessary push-force.

However, look at VJ Singh when his rear palm loses contact with the left thumb/grip.



His right shoulder is well back and his right arm is already fully straight (run-out-of-right arm scenario). How much push-force can one produce with the right hand through impact under those conditions.

Most importantly, consider what VJ actually stated when asked about his habitual propensity to have his rear hand lose contact with the club through impact. He stated that he was trying to avoid applying any push-force with his right arm/hand through impact to avoid an increased likelihood of hitting pull-hooks. In other words, VJ has actually implied that he is trying to eliminate any "last minute hit action with his right hand" - the exact opposite of what the BM groupie is implying.

Jeff.