Post by playing18 on Mar 12, 2023 15:33:02 GMT -5
Dr. Mann and DG, I respect your caution but you have no evidence that either force plates or 3D tools are unhelpful or a hindrance in teaching golf or improving golf performance. Zero proof, only an opinion that a player might have a poor swing and somehow display a false-positive force plate or 3D result or perhaps be hindered in some other hypothetical way. But I don’t see this as a problem because golf performance data is all that matters in this process (other than safety and injury prevention). The same applies to golf swing theory. It is secondary to golf performance. On the other hand, poor force plate and 3D data coupled with poor golf performance can often be instructive. I wish I had these data from day one. I wish I could see this data tomorrow. These data, 2D video data, or golf instruction can never hurt in the long run, as long as the focus is on what matters: golf performance. In other words, do what works.
I can appreciate the potential weakness of these tools and I don’t appreciate companies making false claims to increase sales, but I won’t let this stop me from using common sense and noticing the value of collective evidence, even if it has some subjectivity attached to it.
I’ve seen enough scientists who miss the mark and do worthless research, live and die by the .05 level, or only complain about the weaknesses of what is published.
I assume you don’t agree with these tools since you don’t use them in a practical instructional setting. And, yes I agree that without a practical application, the lack of science suggests some caution, but I think there is a problem with your exclusive theory-based approach (you don’t have or use these tools). Consequently, your arguments make little sense because you ultimately have no data to show these tools somehow hurt or distract from improved golf performance.
I don’t have that data either, but I can see the possible face-validity of these tools in an instructional setting, and when using readily available golf performance data from each individual player there is little risk that these tools and their output could cause a problem. Golf performance results should always drive everything, and certainly not force plate or 3D data. Golf performance data and the 18-hole score is always more important than any tool, theory, or research study when considering the individual player.
It’s also more important than any PGA swing evidence that indicates this might be the “best” way to swing. Yes, it is interesting to know how most pros swing but this information is useless to the individual player unless it somehow improves their own individual game. At least, that’s how I see it on an individual golfer basis.
Jim - playing18
I can appreciate the potential weakness of these tools and I don’t appreciate companies making false claims to increase sales, but I won’t let this stop me from using common sense and noticing the value of collective evidence, even if it has some subjectivity attached to it.
I’ve seen enough scientists who miss the mark and do worthless research, live and die by the .05 level, or only complain about the weaknesses of what is published.
I assume you don’t agree with these tools since you don’t use them in a practical instructional setting. And, yes I agree that without a practical application, the lack of science suggests some caution, but I think there is a problem with your exclusive theory-based approach (you don’t have or use these tools). Consequently, your arguments make little sense because you ultimately have no data to show these tools somehow hurt or distract from improved golf performance.
I don’t have that data either, but I can see the possible face-validity of these tools in an instructional setting, and when using readily available golf performance data from each individual player there is little risk that these tools and their output could cause a problem. Golf performance results should always drive everything, and certainly not force plate or 3D data. Golf performance data and the 18-hole score is always more important than any tool, theory, or research study when considering the individual player.
It’s also more important than any PGA swing evidence that indicates this might be the “best” way to swing. Yes, it is interesting to know how most pros swing but this information is useless to the individual player unless it somehow improves their own individual game. At least, that’s how I see it on an individual golfer basis.
Jim - playing18
