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Post by imperfectgolfer on Nov 29, 2011 21:37:24 GMT -5
Here is an interesting thread at the BM-forum. www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/16424-whats-hogan-saying.htmlI previously thought of Lia as a mindless BM-groupie, but he is showing an independent streak and questioning BM's "new" orthodoxy of no "force-across-the-shaft" at impact. Here is Hogan "swinging left" after impact. Note that he has a bent right wrist well after impact, and not a straightening right wrist. So, the question becomes - can one avoid having some pressure against the aft side of the grip at PP#3 under those conditions. I think not! Consider Hunter Mahan's swing - which is Hoganesque. He "swings left" like Hogan - and he uses a no-roll hand release action. I believe that his bent right wrist means that he is applying some push-pressure against the aft side of the grip through impact - in a manner similar to Hogan's two-handed basketball pass swing action. Hogan stated in his "Five Lessons" book that one must hit with both hands. That means that he must be applying push-pressure with the right palm/PP#3 against the aft side of the grip through impact. Why else would his right wrist be bent after impact? I think that he is pivoting actively through impact while applying pressure with both hands against the grip, and because his arms are closely connected to his torso, they are presumably transmitting the pivoting torso's rotational force to the grip (via the two hands). What do you think? Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Nov 29, 2011 23:12:11 GMT -5
I think we know where Brian is going to go with this, he will change from saying no force across the shaft at impact to no force at "normal" which can happen after impact.
They have already changed several of the initial statements.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Nov 30, 2011 0:36:37 GMT -5
Greg, I don't know what no force at "normal" after impact means - because I have never understood how there can only be a force directed centrally at impact. I think that as long as a golfer continues to swing or swing-hit between P7 and P7.5, then there must be either a pull force and/or a push force exerted on the grip through impact. Here is Charlie Hoffmann when he hit that great push-draw shot. In the swing video, one can see his right arm snapping straight at the right elbow joint through impact, and I believe that he is swing-hitting through impact and that there is a significant amount of push-pressure against the aft side of the club through impact. By contrast, it is more likely that Rickie Fowler doesn't have any push-pressure against the aft side of the club through impact in his swing - because he is using a full roll release hand release action. Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Nov 30, 2011 0:45:49 GMT -5
Look at this video of Lee Trevino hitting down with an iron.
If anybody thinks that he is not applying push-pressure against the aft side of his club at impact, then he has a totally different perspective of golf swing mechanics/biomechanics than me. That looks very much like a TGM hitting action to me.
Jeff.
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Post by nmgolfer on Nov 30, 2011 9:42:19 GMT -5
This is the problem isn't it... Golf is not just one swing. Different shots require different techniques. I think there should be a caveat applied to comments such as: "in the full swing with a driver blah blah blah" or "in a full swing with a short iron blah blah blah" on "in a punch shot blah blah blah".
Personally I think the BM is all wet, does not understand (any?) science and is simply peddling the flavor or that day. Its all about marketing and selling videos in hopes of one day commanding higher prices for lessons. Mark my words, one year one decade from now, he will be singing a different tune apologizing for getting it all wrong in the dark ages of marketing project 1.68.
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Post by nmgolfer on Nov 30, 2011 9:57:00 GMT -5
The other thing is there is no one right way. The only thing that matters is the score. Austin and Hogan did not agree. Austin would have yelled at Hogan for blocking with his closed stance. Austin favored mobility over the stability. Austin could hit further but Hogan won tournaments. Which was better? That depends. Personally I the Austin mobility approach is better and easier on the average golfer's aging body but perhaps the Hogan models suggests a young athlete like say Camilio Villegas finds more consistency with a Hogan-like less mobile approach. Hogan certainly has a fan base...
For me there are just a few keys... I certainly don't think about applying pressure with my right index finger pad but I do think and strive for: FLW, straight left arm and leisurely transition. Yes Jeff I agree with you re. lia... that boy's headed for expulsion but its refreshing to see some questioning of the pope going on.
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