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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 2, 2012 10:50:12 GMT -5
I have added a new review paper on "Hand Release Actions Through the Impact Zone" to my website. perfectgolfswingreview.net/HandRelease.htmI have expressed my personal opinions on this topic in the review paper, and I have also contrasted my personal opinions with that of Kelvin Miyahira's opinions and Brian Manzella's opinions on the same topic. I have not discussed Brian Manzella's "rotation-about-the-coupling point" release action in great detail, because I plan to devote my next review paper to a critical review of Brian's "Ideas about the release" video. Error-correction suggestions and negative feedback will be appreciated. Jeff.
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Post by coach on Jan 2, 2012 20:57:42 GMT -5
Very nicely done Jeff, now I have to digest it all. Much appreciated.
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Post by vince on Jan 3, 2012 8:06:07 GMT -5
Many thanks for this paper! Next to the clear explanation of the LFLW, it also (finally) gives clear insight in the difference between the CP and CF-release. A month ago I started to use the LFLW through the impact-zone (CF-wise) and after some timing-issues (a too early roll) I am now quite confident with it. It is so funny, because I now know where my LFLW is in space (back- and down-swing) and its position and therefor I now know that I am swinging straight through the ball. Also after some left-arm muscle pull training, because you need some strength to really pull the FLW completey through. Thanks Jeff for all your hard work. If you had a paypal-donation-button I would donate spontaneously, regards Vince
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 3, 2012 9:22:13 GMT -5
I need some time to review and comment but based on prior papers I expect a thorough and complete document.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 3, 2012 10:07:59 GMT -5
Vince,
I am happy to learn that you find value in consciously becoming aware of your LAFW/FLW and how it moves in space. As you state, that allows one to consciously move it straight through the impact zone while keeping it intact. The great advantage of maintaining an intact LAFW/FLW is that is allows one to have a stable clubface through the immediate impact zone (from P6.9 to P7.2) if one learns how to move it targetwards during that short transitional time period (between the release swivel action and the start of the post-impact roll action) - and it also works whether one uses a CF-arm release action or a CP-arm release action. You have also seemingly discovered that one needs to keep the FLW moving actively forwards from P7 to P7.5 to avoid becoming a pro-flipper, which is often the end-result of any left arm/hand slowing/stalling action through impact.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 3, 2012 10:26:04 GMT -5
Jeff said "often the end-result of any left arm/hand slowing/stalling action through impact."
Does anyone really disagree with this other than BM?
Its also very easy to understand, believe, etc, but a non stalling pivot is difficult to achieve for the average player.
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Post by vince on Jan 3, 2012 10:46:59 GMT -5
Jeff Some more experience: Because I also started using the intact LFLW in the backswing my backswing flattened, because you get a more flat-cocked-left-wrist. In the beginning the shaft was not directed to the base-line anymore (because I first used a more cupped-cocked-wrist). Because of the flattening you have to lift more the right-forearm to get the shaft facing the baseline. I think, by the flattening, you lose some degrees wrist-cock, but you gain straigthness and confidence...... For the active pulling from P7 to P7.5 you (I) needed some extra strength, therefor the muscle-exercises (but also depends how fast you pull in the early downswing, because when it is too fast I cannot keep up). When I compare the CP-release and CF-release, I favor the CF, because I think one can be faster with the leftarm-unit, then the pivot-unit. Vince
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 3, 2012 11:00:39 GMT -5
Vince, You wrote-: "When I compare the CP-release and CF-release, I favor the CF, because I think one can be faster with the leftarm-unit, then the pivot-unit." I agree! I think that Greg doesn't appreciate this point. If a golfer wants to use a full-roll hand release action when swinging his intact LAFW/FLW through the impact zone from P6 to P7.5+, then it works better when using a CF-arm release action rather than a CP-arm release action. Also, when using that combination, it doesn't matter if one stalls the pivot action because the left arm is catapulted targetwards via the active release of PA#4. One can see that phenomenon clearly in one of the most perfect examples of a golfer who uses a CF-arm release action and a full-roll hand release action - Luke Donald. Luke Donald has a perfect pivot motion for his type of swing action - because he is not using his pivot to induce a CP-arm release action and a no-roll hand release action (as can be seen in Ben Hogan's and Hunter Mahan's swings ). Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 3, 2012 11:26:17 GMT -5
Vince, You wrote-: "When I compare the CP-release and CF-release, I favor the CF, because I think one can be faster with the leftarm-unit, then the pivot-unit." I agree! I think that Greg doesn't appreciate this point. If a golfer wants to use a full-roll hand release action when swinging his intact LAFW/FLW through the impact zone from P6 to P7.5+, then it works better when using a CF-arm release action rather than a CP-arm release action. Also, when using that combination, it doesn't matter if one stalls the pivot action because the left arm is catapulted targetwards via the active release of PA#4. One can see that phenomenon clearly in one of the most perfect examples of a golfer who uses a CF-arm release action and a full-roll hand release action - Luke Donald. Luke Donald has a perfect pivot motion for his type of swing action - because he is not using his pivot to induce a CP-arm release action and a no-roll hand release action (as can be seen in Ben Hogan's and Hunter Mahan's swings ). Jeff. Jeff you know this, I hit more than swing (some of both), I don't use #4 very much at all.
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Post by vince on Jan 3, 2012 11:30:00 GMT -5
Jeff, yes and that swing is my ambition for 2012. He is picture-perfect! Then another experience. I tried two head-positions. Luke's looking at/behind the ball when going through impact and Annika's early swiveling. When I take Luke's it is as if the leftarm rolls to its position itself after P7.5. When I do Annika's head swivel, most of the times I finish to open and therefor push left or hook. But maybe these are all too personal swing-things for this forum. Anyway thanks again and I am a fan, Vince
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 3, 2012 11:54:36 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote-: "Jeff you know this, I hit more than swing (some of both), I don't use #4 very much at all."
I know that you are a swing-hitter, and not a TGM swinger. One of my new insights gained during the past year (since I devoted a lot of time to thinking about hand release actions) is that a swing-hitter should use a no-roll hand release action and not a full-roll hand release action. As a swing-hitter, who uses a no-roll hand release action, one can either use a CP-arm release action (like John Erickson) or a CF-arm release action (like Charlie Hoffmann or Lee Trevino) to move the impact triangle. For a swing-hitter to use a CP-arm release action, he needs to ensure that he can pivot well through the impact zone.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 3, 2012 12:33:51 GMT -5
Greg, For a swing-hitter to use a CP-arm release action, he needs to ensure that he can pivot well through the impact zone. Jeff. I strongly agree with this. I guess it could be said if you are a pivot stall-er than a well time roll of the hands maybe a better way to insure a LAFW.
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Post by kovner on Jan 13, 2012 12:19:01 GMT -5
Dr. Mann, In the Review paper, you describe Sadlowski's 'square technique,' in which he uses no swivel action in the backswing. I have a few questions about that: -I understand that Sadlowski does not have a TGM-hitter's action, but isn't his method of not swiveling in the takeaway, and therefore not having to swivel into impact, similar to a hitter's action? Put similarly, at which points in a hitter's swing is his clubface NOT square to his clubhead arc? -What about the 'square technique' is "biomechanically very difficult"?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 13, 2012 18:12:41 GMT -5
Kovner,
-I understand that Sadlowski does not have a TGM-hitter's action, but isn't his method of not swiveling in the takeaway, and therefore not having to swivel into impact, similar to a hitter's action? Put similarly, at which points in a hitter's swing is his clubface NOT square to his clubhead arc?
A hitter opens his clubface if he has a non-strong grip - but not as much a swinger with a neutral arm/grip because he loads the right elbow and the right elbow must be behind his hands and not under his hands at the end-backswing position.
-What about the 'square technique' is "biomechanically very difficult"?
Try it. You should discover that it is very difficult to get far back to the usual end-backswing position.
Jeff.
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