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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 12, 2012 0:24:36 GMT -5
See BM's analysis - vimeo.com/34926568This is the first time that I have seen Calvin Peete's swing. What really interests me is that he used a no-roll hand release action while straightening his right wrist through impact. All the golfers who use a no-roll release action in my review paper maintain a bent right wrist well beyond impact. BM states that CP is "swinging left". I disagree! I think that he is using a CP-arm release action by coupling his two arms very closely to his rotating torso which rotates very actively through impact. I suspect that he may have been accurate because of his very active pivot action through impact combined with a CP-arm release action and a no-roll hand release action. His clubface is very stable through the immediate impact zone (between P6.9 and P7.2) and there is no pro-flipping action. His pivot motion (combined with closely coupled arms) through impact reminds me of Jim Furyk. Fascinating swing action! I am endlessly amazed to see how many different ways professional golfers can execute a good quality golf swing. Jeff. p.s. His exaggerated counterfall motion reminds me of Mike McNary.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 12, 2012 9:21:58 GMT -5
Peete was known as the most accurate player on tour during his era. I think he still leads in all time fairways hit %.
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Post by mchepp on Jan 12, 2012 13:46:16 GMT -5
jeff,
what is your definition of counterfall? i see this term being used can you define it as you see it?
thanks.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 12, 2012 13:59:26 GMT -5
mchepp,
This my personal understanding/usage of the counterfall action (which may not be concordant with David Lee's usage - and he apparently coined the term).
At the start of the downswing, a golfer, who has a rightwards-centralised backswing action with significant loading of the right leg, is going to have to transfer weight to the left leg at the start of the downswing. The term "fall" is often used to describe the movement of the pelvis left-laterally as one re-weights the left foot in order to initiate the left hip clearing action (ala Hogan). A counterfall is different in that one is partially directing the "feel" of the pivot motion in a left-of-the-target direction in order to counter the "anticipated" momentum effect of the two arms that will be swinging out-to-the-right relative to the body/stance line - because the arms comes from inside at the start of the downswing. The counterfall motion allows a golfer to keep in balance and to also keep the arms from uncontrollably fleeing the center due to their gained momentum that occurs due to the release of PA#4 (catapulting of the left arm downwards-and-forwards-and-outwards).
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 12, 2012 14:39:12 GMT -5
jeff, what is your definition of counterfall? i see this term being used can you define it as you see it? thanks. I think Jeff describes it well. If you want to tighten the spiral, have the hands pull inward more, which we know creates more club speed, and in my opinion helps getting the baseline left then this move which to me feels like a lean slightly back and target ward with the spine. Jeff said a righwards centralized spine, I would argue you can have it from an spine movement, Mac says spine should be leaning 5 degrees away from target (not sure how far that varies from Jeff's thinking). I think I have a video of Denny describing the motion. I call it more a lean. If I find it I will send it. If you were to search the archives at Richies when I was really working on it people would say how far are you hitting it because it looks like you are not swinging hard and I really could not explain why because I was taking a smaller backswing yet the ball was going forever. You can really see it with Denny here, this was our second lesson. This is what I meant by saying you can change the radius of the swing to affect the calculations, among a few others.
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Post by mchepp on Jan 13, 2012 1:22:04 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
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Post by scottygolf on Jan 24, 2012 13:09:01 GMT -5
See BM's analysis - vimeo.com/34926568This is the first time that I have seen Calvin Peete's swing. What really interests me is that he used a no-roll hand release action while straightening his right wrist through impact. All the golfers who use a no-roll release action in my review paper maintain a bent right wrist well beyond impact. BM states that CP is "swinging left". I disagree! I think that he is using a CP-arm release action by coupling his two arms very closely to his rotating torso which rotates very actively through impact. I suspect that he may have been accurate because of his very active pivot action through impact combined with a CP-arm release action and a no-roll hand release action. His clubface is very stable through the immediate impact zone (between P6.9 and P7.2) and there is no pro-flipping action. His pivot motion (combined with closely coupled arms) through impact reminds me of Jim Furyk. Fascinating swing action! I am endlessly amazed to see how many different ways professional golfers can execute a good quality golf swing. Jeff. p.s. His exaggerated counterfall motion reminds me of Mike McNary. I surprised you wrote that you dont believe Calvin was "swinging left" because whenever i watch his swing, especially from dtl his club and hands seem to swing more left and disappear around his body much faster than most players.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 24, 2012 13:19:07 GMT -5
Scotty,
How do you define "swinging left" and do you have a different definition for a CP-arm release action that clearly differentiates it from your definition of "swinging left"?
Jeff.
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Post by scottygolf on Jan 25, 2012 10:55:08 GMT -5
Im not sure what a "cp arm release" is, I was just talking about how Peete's club and hands seem to swing much more to the "left" post impact than almost every player ive seen except maybe Hogan, or some big over the top slicer.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 25, 2012 11:08:27 GMT -5
Scotty,
What you are describing is a CP-arm release action. I regard "swinging left" as a leftwards-shifting of the baseline of the inclined plane (horizontal swing plane - HSP) and that can occur even if a golfer uses a CF-arm release action.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 25, 2012 12:45:54 GMT -5
Scotty, What you are describing is a CP-arm release action. I regard "swinging left" as a leftwards-shifting of the baseline of the inclined plane (horizontal swing plane - HSP) and that can occur even if a golfer uses a CF-arm release action. Jeff. I agree with this.
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Post by bullet on Jan 27, 2012 21:57:17 GMT -5
That video of alberts is in no way morad counter fall , in fact it's the complete opposite , when done correctly the waist bend and lateral flexion of the lead side will increase while the cogs are shifting laterally
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Post by bullet on Jan 27, 2012 21:58:42 GMT -5
Jeff watch the videos on page 15 of Manzella thread on peete re pf
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Post by mchepp on Jan 31, 2012 16:08:51 GMT -5
when done correctly the waist bend and lateral flexion of the lead side will increase while the cogs are shifting laterally This is a very good explanation, thank you.
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