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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 30, 2012 11:16:30 GMT -5
See BM's analysis of Bill Clinton's golf swing. www.golf.com/video/bill-clintons-swing-analysisI disagree with BM because I think that BC's major problem is having an internally rotated left humerus and pronated left forearm at address with a very strong grip. If a golfer adopts such a strong left hand grip, then he cannot use the standard takeaway swivel action - where the left arm/forearm rotate counterclockwise. BC uses the standard takeaway motions so that he gets his clubface too open in his backswing action - note how much more his left arm/forearm is rotated at the P2 position compared to Luke Donald. Secondly, his clubface is even more open at P4 due to left wrist bending - while LD has an AFLW. BC also doesn't perform the release of PA#3 correctly because he is holding off the PA#3 release due to the effect of his grip problem. If I were BC's teacher, I would advise him to adopt a neutral left hand grip, so that the grip is compatible with his natural TGM swinger's pattern of biomechanical actions - where he has a natural biomechanical propensity to perform a takeaway swivel action. Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 30, 2012 14:45:53 GMT -5
"standard takeaway swivel action"
so what is non standard?
What takeaway action would you say I employ?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 30, 2012 17:06:32 GMT -5
Standard = getting the back of the FLW parallel to the ball-target line at the end-takeaway position. Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 30, 2012 17:16:03 GMT -5
Standard = getting the back of the FLW parallel to the ball-target line at the end-takeaway position. Jeff. Yuk, hope no one teaches that!
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 30, 2012 19:37:26 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote-: "Yuk, hope no one teaches that!"
So you don't like Robert Rock's takeaway?
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 31, 2012 9:42:33 GMT -5
I don't see it Jeff, he does not roll his shoulder the same way to the P2 position as is taught in a traditional takeaway action which promotes a face that is looking at the arc of the backswing more rather than the opening move taught by that "toe up" move. I hate the toe up teaching for this reason. Here is his club face, certainly a shade close to me and it was more closed as earlier in the takeaway. Attachments:
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 31, 2012 9:59:25 GMT -5
Greg, We have a different concept of what represents a traditional takeaway. I never stated anything about shoulder movements. I merely stated that one should rotate the left arm/forearm clockwise so that the back of the FLW is parallel to the ball-target line at the end-backswing position with the clubshaft parallel to the ball-target line and ground. Robert Rock does that, as do many PGA tour golfers. I could also have used Adam Scott or Heath Slocum as an example. Martin Hall demonstrates it in these capture images and in his Smartstick demonstration. smartstickgolf.com/why-it-works/planeJeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 31, 2012 11:07:24 GMT -5
I just disagree with you that RR has a toe up position, which to me is an open position.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 31, 2012 12:17:32 GMT -5
Greg,
Stop this video at the 0.04 second time point.
I believe that his clubhead's toe is pointing up at the end-takeaway. Very small differences in the degree of clubface slanting (relative to the ball-target line) - when the back of the FLW is parallel to the ball-target line - probably refects slight variations in grip pattern. Golfers who adopt a finger grip will torque the clubface to a slightly closed position when the the left wrist palmar flexes during the takeaway (left wrist PF is required to get a GFLW by the end-takeaway position).
I am not rigidly stating that the clubface must be parallel to the ball-target line - I am only stating the back of the FLW must be parallel to the ball-target line at the end-takeaway position if one uses a standard takeaway.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 31, 2012 14:01:38 GMT -5
What is a non standard takeaway then, besides say a Jim F or Bruce L?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 31, 2012 14:29:33 GMT -5
Greg,
In this context, a non-standard takeaway is where the FLW is either over-rotated, or under-rotated, so that the FLW is not parallel to the ball-target line at the P2 position, or where the left arm is angled too much back, or too much forward, at the P2 position - so that the FLW is not parallel to the ball-target line.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 31, 2012 15:20:50 GMT -5
Greg, In this context, a non-standard takeaway is where the FLW is either over-rotated, or under-rotated, so that the FLW is not parallel to the ball-target line at the P2 position, or where the left arm is angled too much back, or too much forward, at the P2 position - so that the FLW is not parallel to the ball-target line. Jeff. I think I get what your saying with Clinton, or myself if I try to achieve that alignment at P2 with a strong grip I am screwed. If you have a weak grip it would have a different compensation.
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