Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 16, 2012 11:07:11 GMT -5
Consider this 3jack forum thread.
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Cloran believes that grip firmness affects lag. I believe that lag should be defined as the relationship of the clubshaft (especially the proximal clubshaft) relative to the straight left arm - within the plane of the LAFW. If one loosens one firm hold on the grip at P4, that could obviously increase lag, but I think that it is major mistake to ever loosen one's left hand grip (which is only performed by the left 3rd, 4th and 5th fingers pushing the grip against the lower palm).
3jack wrote-: "Grip pressure affects the shaft bend in transition, IMO."
I don't know how that is possible if one doesn't loosen the grip in the palm at P4.
cwdlaw223 wrote-: "What's lag? A feeling? Pressure? Where is it and how to measure it?
What you see at the beginning of Sadlowski or Sergio's downswing is the toe drop (of the shaft) and not lag. I would define lag in the impact area only."
That's crazy! It's not a "feeling" - its a real-life fact where the clubshaft is angled radially at the left wrist joint (within the plane of the LAFW). A golfer can "feel" lag pressure with PP#3 if the RFFW is correctly positioned relative to the LAFW.
Toe drop at the transition only affects the clubhead (relative to the proximal clubshaft) and it doesn't affect the proximal clubshaft relative to the left arm (within the plane of the LAFW).
Cloran wrote-: "I always thought of lag as decreasing the angle between the clubhead and the left arm through transition. Making the LAFW "smaller"."
He is clueless about the LAFW concept. Increasing (or deceasing) lag can never affect the magnitude of the LAFW - because i) it occurs within the plane of the LAFW and ii) the LAFW can only be described as being intact or non-intact (which occurs if the left wrist bends or bows).
A final bit of nonsense!
cwdlaw223 wrote-: "The problem is that the top part of the shaft slows down considerably in EVERY swing prior to impact. Interesting subject. Hopefully the new Enso machine can shed some light on this topic."
The grip end of the club may slow down in golfers, who are swingers, and who use a PA#3 release action. However, why should the grip end of the club have to slow down in golfers (swingers) who don't use PA#3 in their swing action or in hitters (who drive-load the shaft through impact)?
Jeff.
richie3jack.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3292
Cloran believes that grip firmness affects lag. I believe that lag should be defined as the relationship of the clubshaft (especially the proximal clubshaft) relative to the straight left arm - within the plane of the LAFW. If one loosens one firm hold on the grip at P4, that could obviously increase lag, but I think that it is major mistake to ever loosen one's left hand grip (which is only performed by the left 3rd, 4th and 5th fingers pushing the grip against the lower palm).
3jack wrote-: "Grip pressure affects the shaft bend in transition, IMO."
I don't know how that is possible if one doesn't loosen the grip in the palm at P4.
cwdlaw223 wrote-: "What's lag? A feeling? Pressure? Where is it and how to measure it?
What you see at the beginning of Sadlowski or Sergio's downswing is the toe drop (of the shaft) and not lag. I would define lag in the impact area only."
That's crazy! It's not a "feeling" - its a real-life fact where the clubshaft is angled radially at the left wrist joint (within the plane of the LAFW). A golfer can "feel" lag pressure with PP#3 if the RFFW is correctly positioned relative to the LAFW.
Toe drop at the transition only affects the clubhead (relative to the proximal clubshaft) and it doesn't affect the proximal clubshaft relative to the left arm (within the plane of the LAFW).
Cloran wrote-: "I always thought of lag as decreasing the angle between the clubhead and the left arm through transition. Making the LAFW "smaller"."
He is clueless about the LAFW concept. Increasing (or deceasing) lag can never affect the magnitude of the LAFW - because i) it occurs within the plane of the LAFW and ii) the LAFW can only be described as being intact or non-intact (which occurs if the left wrist bends or bows).
A final bit of nonsense!
cwdlaw223 wrote-: "The problem is that the top part of the shaft slows down considerably in EVERY swing prior to impact. Interesting subject. Hopefully the new Enso machine can shed some light on this topic."
The grip end of the club may slow down in golfers, who are swingers, and who use a PA#3 release action. However, why should the grip end of the club have to slow down in golfers (swingers) who don't use PA#3 in their swing action or in hitters (who drive-load the shaft through impact)?
Jeff.