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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 17, 2012 11:40:04 GMT -5
See - jeffygolf.com/showthread.php?16-gmbtempe-lesson-mid-January-2012&p=630#post630KM states that Greg has a kyphotic upper back appearance at his end-backswing position because he has tight fascia due to sitting in front of a computer too much. What unadulterated nonsense! He also wants Greg to have a steeper left arm angle because he doesn't like his right elbow position at the end-backswing position. Again, that's mechanically/biomechanically nonsensical. Greg's RFFW is perfectly positioned relative to his LAFW and he moves his power package very appropriately in the early downswing. Greg has always suffered from a sluggish pivot action and his pelvis/shoulders are square to the target at impact. That will cause his right shoulder to be too far from the ball at impact and he will invariably run-out-of-right arm and straighten his right wrist through impact. Greg shows a drill where he tries to keep his right wrist bent through impact. If he wants to maintain a bent right wrist to P7.5 (like David Toms) then that drill will not help - unless he pivots better (like Tommy Gainey and gets his pelvis open at impact and his right shoulder more downplane). Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 17, 2012 12:23:52 GMT -5
See - jeffygolf.com/showthread.php?16-gmbtempe-lesson-mid-January-2012&p=630#post630KM states that Greg has a kyphotic upper back appearance at his end-backswing position because he has tight fascia due to sitting in front of a computer too much. What unadulterated nonsense! He also wants Greg to have a steeper left arm angle because he doesn't like his right elbow position at the end-backswing position. Again, that's mechanically/biomechanically nonsensical. Greg's RFFW is perfectly positioned relative to his LAFW and he moves his power package very appropriately in the early downswing. Greg has always suffered from a sluggish pivot action and his pelvis/shoulders are square to the target at impact. That will cause his right shoulder to be too far from the ball at impact and he will invariably run-out-of-right arm and straighten his right wrist through impact. Greg shows a drill where he tries to keep his right wrist bent through impact. If he wants to maintain a bent right wrist to P7.5 (like David Toms) then that drill will not help - unless he pivots better (like Tommy Gainey and gets his pelvis open at impact and his right shoulder more downplane). Jeff. Won't help, lol, the drill was not from Kelvin so please get the correct facts. Sure, and while I agree a lot with Kelvin's theories I am going to do some work with local instructors, I started last Sunday. This is only a million times better. Impact
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 17, 2012 12:57:34 GMT -5
I should preface this by saying I think its better alignments.
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Post by walther on Feb 17, 2012 13:28:35 GMT -5
Greg -- I call BS.
There is no way you can swing without thinking of 143 things!
w
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 17, 2012 13:51:10 GMT -5
Greg -- I call BS. There is no way you can swing without thinking of 143 things! w Your right, I couldn'it, but dang I was trying too ;D
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 17, 2012 18:29:38 GMT -5
Greg, I never stated that you got the drill from KM, so please "get the correct facts". By the way, I think that the drill is of no value - unless it is combined with a very active pivot motion that get's your pelvis more open and your right shoulder more downplane. Your hand alignments at impact may be better - but your pelvis is still square and your right shoulder too high for that combination of post-impact hand alignments. Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 17, 2012 18:54:18 GMT -5
Greg, I never stated that you got the drill from KM, so please "get the correct facts". By the way, I think that the drill is of no value - unless it is combined with a very active pivot motion that get's your pelvis more open and your right shoulder more downplane. Your hand alignments at impact may be better - but your pelvis is still square and your right shoulder too high for that combination of post-impact hand alignments. Jeff. No sense in discussing Jeff as I am sure you wont see the value even though I worked with TGM people. The left hip is pulled back more instead of just sliding out, this helps the club from ascending to quickly after impact, the right elbow, and shoulder, are further down plane, the head and eye tilts is in a much better position. The drill is of no value, funny. How do you think my hands got into a much better alignment as you stated if that was the ONLY thing we worked on? What did I do mechanically to make that happen if the drill had no value?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 17, 2012 23:24:12 GMT -5
Greg, I don't know why you are misinterpreting what I am stating. Note that I stated that the drill would be of no value if you don't pivot more actively. If you are pulling your left hip more back and if you are getting your right shoulder more downplane, then you are pivoting more actively and that would be excellent if you can incorporate that feature into your full swing. Is that happening now in your full swing? Is your pelvis more open to the target and is your right shoulder more downplane and is your your right wrist remaining bent well after impact to P7.5 - like in this photo sequence of David Toms? Are you using a no-roll hand release action - like David Toms? Jeff. p.s. I didn't state that KM is "off his rocker" - I stated that I think that he was wrong about two points. Why are you behaving in this untypical manner (untypical for Greg)?
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 18, 2012 14:10:47 GMT -5
I took your initial post very personal because I think it look past the positive improvements that were obvious, at the same time there were implied shots at both KM and whoever had me working with those drills IMO.
I definitely was pivoting better through the shot, even if only marginally.
Yes no roll release is something I dont see changing in my swing, at least not for a while. More pitch elbow and elbow plane allows for club to be in a position to CP down the road.
I wish you could have been there to see the difference in compression and ball flight.
Unfortunately the day after my ankle tightened up and I might be on the DL for a while, doctor said he thinks it might be a bone chip or bone spur but wants a MRI. I could barely walk Tues/or Wed but now can get around if I walk on the ball of my left foot.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 18, 2012 18:07:55 GMT -5
Greg,
I may disagree with KM about golf swing biomechanics, but I only wish you the best. You have admired David Toms' hand release action for a long time, and it would be nice if you could learn to pivot well enough to use a no-roll release action as efficiently as David Toms. I hope that you succeed. I do not have the flexibility to use a no-roll hand release action (like David Toms), but I think that it is an excellent way to perform a full golf swing. I would like to see a video if you succeed in your goal.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 28, 2012 14:17:05 GMT -5
Jeff, You posted this picture This motion is very much my feel right now. I feel very little left side pull, sure its there but its very much secondary. Creates maximum pressure on PP3, driven low and left.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 28, 2012 22:21:17 GMT -5
Greg,
It sounds like we are both using a "right arm dominant" swing action, although I try to apply most of my push-pressure above the coupling point at PP#1 when I want to be a right arm swinger who doesn't drive-load the shaft through impact (rather than a non-TGM hitter who drive-loads the shaft through impact).
If you look at my video demonstration, you will note that my pelvis is open at impact and my right heel is raised off the ground. I would "run-out-of-right arm" if I didn't achieve that pelvic alignment at impact. I am not very flexible, but I make sure that my pelvis is open at impact, and I am still surprised that you have a square pelvis and your right heel planted at impact in your old swing videos. I hope that you are presently achieving a more open pelvic alignment at impact, so that it can enable your "right arm dominant" swing action to work very well for you.
Jeff.
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