Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 8, 2012 10:39:15 GMT -5
I still remain a skeptic regarding the value fo Trackman - despite reading more threads on the topic.
See - www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/16938-whats-harder-chase-ideal-optimal.html
BM wrote-: "TrackMan and other devices that do similar things will NO DOUBT influence golf instruction AWAY from positions and toward forces that CAUSE positions."
Why should it have that type of effect? Trackman only reports on the impact clubhead path/clubface alignment numbers. It doesn't have anything to say about golf swing biomechanics that are responsible for a golfer's Trackman numbers.
Bigwill wrote-: "Getting away from trying to make everyone hit certain positions, and rather having them trying to achieve better numbers (or more specifically a better number range) with whatever action they have, is going to lead to a happier group of golfers I think..."
How does one get better numbers if one doesn't biomechanically alter one's swing in a way that it can become more consistent? One doesn't have to focus on "positions", but one has to focus on biomechanics if one has an inconsistent swing that produces a wide/poor range of Trackman numbers.
Steve wrote-: "What we are witnessing now is the pragmatic use of Trackman ... the analysis of the ball flight and impact parameters. It's typical of "back-engineering" (the analysis of a completed system in order to isolate and identify its individual components or building blocks). The problem and challenge is to analyze the complete golfswing system because Trackman doesn't tell you how deep into the golfswing you must go to properly change the results."
Trackman doesn't tell any golfer how to "back-engineer" and correct swing faults that produce poor/inconsistent Trackman numbers.
cwdlaw223 wrote-: "The reality is that if your Trackman numbers are good you've hit a good shot. If your swing looks good on video it does NOT guarantee you've hit a good shot or have good impact data. There is no guarantee that any swing, whether Trackman based or video based, will automatically work under pressure all of the time. However, if you obtain good Trackman results your chances of hitting a good shot under pressure are much, much higher than a good looking swing will produce a good shot under pressure. Swing mechaincs count, but impact counts the most."
I think that it's a weak argument. Good Trackman numbers while practicing do not guarantee that the golfer will perform well on a golf course. That will only happen if the good Trackman numbers are secondary to a biomechanically/mechanically sound swing action (which is not the same thing as a "good-looking" swing).
He wrote-: "The reality is that if your Trackman numbers are good you've hit a good shot." Not necessarily! Even a poor swing action may inadvertently produce good Trackman numbers by chance. What I personally do know (with a high degree of certainty) is that if I have struck the ball well using a biomechanically-sound swing action and I have good-looking/desired ball flight and the ball lands within a few yards of my target - then I have hit a good shot. I don't need Trackman numbers to confirm that fact.
Jeff.
See - www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/16938-whats-harder-chase-ideal-optimal.html
BM wrote-: "TrackMan and other devices that do similar things will NO DOUBT influence golf instruction AWAY from positions and toward forces that CAUSE positions."
Why should it have that type of effect? Trackman only reports on the impact clubhead path/clubface alignment numbers. It doesn't have anything to say about golf swing biomechanics that are responsible for a golfer's Trackman numbers.
Bigwill wrote-: "Getting away from trying to make everyone hit certain positions, and rather having them trying to achieve better numbers (or more specifically a better number range) with whatever action they have, is going to lead to a happier group of golfers I think..."
How does one get better numbers if one doesn't biomechanically alter one's swing in a way that it can become more consistent? One doesn't have to focus on "positions", but one has to focus on biomechanics if one has an inconsistent swing that produces a wide/poor range of Trackman numbers.
Steve wrote-: "What we are witnessing now is the pragmatic use of Trackman ... the analysis of the ball flight and impact parameters. It's typical of "back-engineering" (the analysis of a completed system in order to isolate and identify its individual components or building blocks). The problem and challenge is to analyze the complete golfswing system because Trackman doesn't tell you how deep into the golfswing you must go to properly change the results."
Trackman doesn't tell any golfer how to "back-engineer" and correct swing faults that produce poor/inconsistent Trackman numbers.
cwdlaw223 wrote-: "The reality is that if your Trackman numbers are good you've hit a good shot. If your swing looks good on video it does NOT guarantee you've hit a good shot or have good impact data. There is no guarantee that any swing, whether Trackman based or video based, will automatically work under pressure all of the time. However, if you obtain good Trackman results your chances of hitting a good shot under pressure are much, much higher than a good looking swing will produce a good shot under pressure. Swing mechaincs count, but impact counts the most."
I think that it's a weak argument. Good Trackman numbers while practicing do not guarantee that the golfer will perform well on a golf course. That will only happen if the good Trackman numbers are secondary to a biomechanically/mechanically sound swing action (which is not the same thing as a "good-looking" swing).
He wrote-: "The reality is that if your Trackman numbers are good you've hit a good shot." Not necessarily! Even a poor swing action may inadvertently produce good Trackman numbers by chance. What I personally do know (with a high degree of certainty) is that if I have struck the ball well using a biomechanically-sound swing action and I have good-looking/desired ball flight and the ball lands within a few yards of my target - then I have hit a good shot. I don't need Trackman numbers to confirm that fact.
Jeff.