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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jun 28, 2012 8:24:24 GMT -5
See this Greg-induced thread richie3jack.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3642I cannot understand why any informed golfer would believe that a straight pull could occur without a clubhead path that is left-of-the-target. I am not surprised that Greg is predisposed to a straight pull - considering the fact that his pelvic motion is more sluggish than optimum and he therefore has to use an "upper dive" motion to get through impact. Also, an "upper body dive' motion will likely be exaggerated in degree if a golfer simultaneously believes that he has to "swing left" after impact. 3jack made the following comment-: "I also think you can have a path that goes left, even though it appears underplane." How can the path be out-to-in through impact if the clubshaft is underplane (behind the toe line at P6) - presuming that one doesn't flip? Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 28, 2012 9:25:04 GMT -5
I cannot understand why any informed golfer would believe that a straight pull could occur without a clubhead path that is left-of-the-target. Because I was told there was almost NO way you can hit a hook with the path left, yet for a long time I was hooking it off the planet, and many times these were not duck hooks but balls that just drew too much from a starting left position.
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Post by richie3jack on Jun 28, 2012 11:26:30 GMT -5
Cameras can have perspective error built in them. So a golfer who looks underplane may not be underplane. I remember Kelvin Miyahira showing a picture of Jason Dufner from a camera angle where it looked underplane and wanted us to guess his ballflight. At p6 I would have guessed from that camera angle he was going to hit a draw. But, I also wanted to see Dufner's body and had it was oriented. Dufner hits a fade. And I've seen other videos of Dufner where he doesn't look underplane whatsoever. Different camera angles cause different perspectives.
What's ironic is that growing up playing golf people would say that if I hit a hook that I had 'too much right hand' and 'came over the top.' So the 'cure' was to 'swing out to right field more', which only predisposed me to hooking the ball worse if the path started to move too far out to the right.
I think we would need to at least see Greg's current swing to get a better idea of what's going on. But, you can absolutely hook the snot out of a ball with the path going left, if the face is going further left.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 28, 2012 11:55:22 GMT -5
Cameras can have perspective error built in them. So a golfer who looks underplane may not be underplane. I remember Kelvin Miyahira showing a picture of Jason Dufner from a camera angle where it looked underplane and wanted us to guess his ballflight. At p6 I would have guessed from that camera angle he was going to hit a draw. But, I also wanted to see Dufner's body and had it was oriented. Dufner hits a fade. And I've seen other videos of Dufner where he doesn't look underplane whatsoever. Different camera angles cause different perspectives. What's ironic is that growing up playing golf people would say that if I hit a hook that I had 'too much right hand' and 'came over the top.' So the 'cure' was to 'swing out to right field more', which only predisposed me to hooking the ball worse if the path started to move too far out to the right. I think we would need to at least see Greg's current swing to get a better idea of what's going on. But, you can absolutely hook the snot out of a ball with the path going left, if the face is going further left. 3JACK The part of the equation missing is that what only looked like a small pull hook, even almost like a draw from the ball target line is because I had likely been aimed well right of the target and pulled it creating what I thought was a perfectly executed shot.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jun 28, 2012 17:44:43 GMT -5
Greg, You wrote-: "Because I was told there was almost NO way you can hit a hook with the path left, yet for a long time I was hooking it off the planet, and many times these were not duck hooks but balls that just drew too much from a starting left position." If the ball followed the green dotted line - then the clubhead path could be directed towards the target and the clubface closed to the path/target. If the ball started roughly along that same path, and then hooked even more to the left (blue dotted line), then the clubhead path must be right-of-the-target and the clubface closed to both the path/target. Jeff.
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