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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 10, 2012 20:34:03 GMT -5
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 11, 2012 12:25:19 GMT -5
I like to do them both at the same time.....just to be safe.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 11, 2012 15:43:12 GMT -5
I believe that a golfer should always dorsiflex the right wrist first in order to establish an intact LAFW between P1 and P2. Martin Hall establishes an intact LAFW by image 2 - due to right wrist dorsiflexion that flattens the left wrist. I believe that bending of the right elbow only plays a role in moving the intact LAFW onto the inclined plane during the mid-backswing, while simultaneously allowing the left wrist to upcock within the plane of the LAFW - if one uses a right forearm takeaway, and not an one-piece takeaway. Jeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 11, 2012 15:50:57 GMT -5
Are you sure that when you bend the right wrist, the elbow isn't starting to bend just a tiny bit?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 11, 2012 16:01:16 GMT -5
Virtuoso asked-: "Are you sure that when you bend the right wrist, the elbow isn't starting to bend just a tiny bit?"
I believe that the right elbow doesn't have to bend simply because the right wrist starts to dorsilfex between P1 and P1.5. Any premature bending of the right elbow will automatically cause the clubhead to move upwards too fast between P1 and P1.5. I believe that the right elbow primarily starts to bend at ~P1.5 so that the intact LAFW can start to rotate onto the inclined plane.
Jeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 11, 2012 16:11:36 GMT -5
I agree completely with your assessments of the mechanical design of the movements, but if I relax my arms and start the backswing, and i observe my right elbow, it is starting to "give" ever so slightly as my right wrist bends.
If i try to delay my elbow at all--ie make a conscious attempt--my left wrist starts to articulate around my right instead of visa versa.....which would be absolutely backwards.
That development then cascades into my left arm "disconnecting" instead of my right. What a disaster.
...so i just let my right elbow "give" at the beginning when my right wrist folds.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 11, 2012 16:22:17 GMT -5
Virtuoso,
You wrote-: "If i try to delay my elbow at all--ie make a conscious attempt--my left wrist starts to articulate around my right instead of visa versa.....which would be absolutely backwards."
What do you mean by the phrase "left wrist starts to articulate around my right" and why do you perceive it to be backwards?
Jeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 11, 2012 16:34:36 GMT -5
I think the best way for me to describe it is that I want to feel my right wrist fold "up and in"; I do not want to feel my left wrist go "down and out."
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 11, 2012 16:55:47 GMT -5
Virtuoso,
You wrote-: "I want to feel my right wrist fold "up and in"; I do not want to feel my left wrist go "down and out."
Your comment makes me think of the type of vague/incoherent/incomplete comments that are frequently posted in BM's golf forum. I think that the term "fold" is too vague a term for a forum member to clearly understand. I much prefer using standard anatomical terminology.
If you study Martin Hall's video, then you will see that the right wrist only dorsiflexes while the left wrist only radially deviates (upcocks) during a right forearm takeaway maneuver. The bending of the right elbow allows the right and left palms to continue face each other - even though the anatomical movements of the two wrists are in two different planes that are 90 degrees opposed to each other.
Jeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 12, 2012 11:01:50 GMT -5
Jeff, do you think "fold" could be could be mistaken for radial deviation, or is it clear that it means dorsi-flexion to you, but not the layman?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 12, 2012 14:30:47 GMT -5
I think the word "fold" as it pertains to the right wrist in the backswing could be perceived by a laygolfer to involve right wrist dorsiflexion and/or right wrist radial deviation.
Jeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 12, 2012 14:41:17 GMT -5
Ah, gotcha, I assume you were not confused by it though.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 12, 2012 14:44:07 GMT -5
I am confused by what you personally mean by the word "fold" - that's why I wrote "and/or".
Jeff.
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Post by virtuoso on Jul 12, 2012 16:56:22 GMT -5
Ok, you said "perceived by laygolfer."
Fold definitely means dorsi-flexion.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jul 12, 2012 18:43:55 GMT -5
Virtuoso,
I still don't understand this sentence-: "If i try to delay my elbow at all--ie make a conscious attempt--my left wrist starts to articulate around my right instead of visa versa.....which would be absolutely backwards."
What do you mean by "articulate around" and how does it become backwards?
Jeff.
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