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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 14, 2013 12:13:54 GMT -5
Thanks, Rich. Is it fair to say that Jeff's GIR % from fairway / tee box from 175 -225 yards is the best metric? Jeff who? Not that it matters, GIR shows us next to nothing from a statistical standpoint. You HAVE to start thinking about proximity to the cup. There's not a Tour player out there that would take most 30 foot putts over 20 foot chips. Nor should they. 3JACK lol, Jeff is getting too much love now adays Yea, there just are many more variables with a chip. I personally would take a 50' putt over say a 25' chip. I dont three putt much in general where I can do all sorts of crap with a chip (fat it, thin it, hit it to strong, get to high on the face, to low, to much spin on accident, etc etc). Heck I putt from off the green whenever I can.
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Post by dhc1 on Feb 14, 2013 17:45:16 GMT -5
Thanks, Rich. Is it fair to say that Jeff's GIR % from fairway / tee box from 175 -225 yards is the best metric? Jeff who? Not that it matters, GIR shows us next to nothing from a statistical standpoint. You HAVE to start thinking about proximity to the cup. There's not a Tour player out there that would take most 30 foot putts over 20 foot chips. Nor should they. 3JACK My mistake on two fronts. i was referencing Jeffy's page 2 comment re: shots from the fairway/tee box which reflects distance from pin, not GIR. Do you think this is the best metric for long-iron ball striking? Thanks. Jeffy, Happy to be disabused but I thought that the Danger Zone stats were biased towards longer hitters b/c they have a higher proportion of par 3 shots (with a perfect lie). Looking at adjusted par 3 scoring average, dustin johnson is at 61, garrigus at 105, McDowell at 117, woodland at 133, and watson at 165. I realize that this is impacted by short game / putting, but i've shown in other posts that it doesn't get these guys to the top. It's the same story if you look at "shots from the fairway/tee box": Stricker 1st McIlroy 2nd McDowell 3rd Tiger 4th Garrigus 5th Van Pelt 7th Some flippers show up as well, like Westwood 6th, Chad Campbell 8th, but they both have very stable clubfaces. Rollers Mickelson and Donald are 83rd and 91st, respectively.
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 14, 2013 21:50:28 GMT -5
Jeff who? Not that it matters, GIR shows us next to nothing from a statistical standpoint. You HAVE to start thinking about proximity to the cup. There's not a Tour player out there that would take most 30 foot putts over 20 foot chips. Nor should they. 3JACK lol, Jeff is getting too much love now adays Yea, there just are many more variables with a chip. I personally would take a 50' putt over say a 25' chip. I dont three putt much in general where I can do all sorts of crap with a chip (fat it, thin it, hit it to strong, get to high on the face, to low, to much spin on accident, etc etc). Heck I putt from off the green whenever I can. I would take the 25 foot chip. Particularly after doing the running tally of #10 today at Riviera where you get a lot of chips and even bunker shots inside 25 feet and a lot of long putts. Not even a decision if I were a Tour player, take the much closer shot. 3JACK
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 14, 2013 21:52:03 GMT -5
Jeff who? Not that it matters, GIR shows us next to nothing from a statistical standpoint. You HAVE to start thinking about proximity to the cup. There's not a Tour player out there that would take most 30 foot putts over 20 foot chips. Nor should they. 3JACK My mistake on two fronts. i was referencing Jeffy's page 2 comment re: shots from the fairway/tee box which reflects distance from pin, not GIR. Do you think this is the best metric for long-iron ball striking? Thanks. yes, I do. At least at this current time unless something else comes up. 3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 14, 2013 23:04:24 GMT -5
lol, Jeff is getting too much love now adays Yea, there just are many more variables with a chip. I personally would take a 50' putt over say a 25' chip. I dont three putt much in general where I can do all sorts of crap with a chip (fat it, thin it, hit it to strong, get to high on the face, to low, to much spin on accident, etc etc). Heck I putt from off the green whenever I can. I would take the 25 foot chip. Particularly after doing the running tally of #10 today at Riviera where you get a lot of chips and even bunker shots inside 25 feet and a lot of long putts. Not even a decision if I were a Tour player, take the much closer shot. 3JACK Unfortunately I am not a tour player because I would take the shorter shot then.
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 15, 2013 8:52:43 GMT -5
I would take the 25 foot chip. Particularly after doing the running tally of #10 today at Riviera where you get a lot of chips and even bunker shots inside 25 feet and a lot of long putts. Not even a decision if I were a Tour player, take the much closer shot. 3JACK Unfortunately I am not a tour player because I would take the shorter shot then. I think you really need to reconsider it yourself. Or work on your chipping. I'm not a Tour player either, but I didn't need statistics to tell me that I would take a 25 foot chip shot over a 50 foot putt. Your odds of making the 25 foot chip are GREATER than making a 50 putt as well. 3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 15, 2013 12:07:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately I am not a tour player because I would take the shorter shot then. I think you really need to reconsider it yourself. Or work on your chipping. I'm not a Tour player either, but I didn't need statistics to tell me that I would take a 25 foot chip shot over a 50 foot putt. Your odds of making the 25 foot chip are GREATER than making a 50 putt as well. 3JACK Your looking at it wrong, the odds of fng up a chip is much higher for me than a long putt. 1. I dont practice a lot, solid contact on a chip is probably about 70/30 2. even if I make perfect contact I need to judge the speed and break still. 3. on a putt I know I am going to make solid contact 95/5 percent, so I am now down to judging speed and break 4. I am a very good putter so even if I f it up I will still have a good chance of making a 4-5 footer 5. Its all about bogey advoidance at my handicap, making it is not a consideration.
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Post by richie3jack on Feb 15, 2013 16:03:43 GMT -5
Then go work on your chipping 3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 15, 2013 16:10:55 GMT -5
Then go work on your chipping 3JACK I cant fit it around the drinking
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 18, 2013 1:27:04 GMT -5
I see that the Gotham Golf Blog featured two swing analysis of BS's swing by two golf instructors. Patrick Darmore PD is very unknowledgeable about golf swing biomechanics and he gets so many things wrong. Dana Dahlquist I think that Dana's analysis is basically trite and inconsequential and he is obviously wrong to state that the elbows must be level at P5. Here is Tiger Woods Here is Sergio Garcia Here is Ben Hogan Here is Nick Faldo Also, BS's P6 position is standard and it is not the major causal factor that is responsible for his good ball striking - as Dana implies. Jeff.
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