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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 6, 2011 18:15:47 GMT -5
Don - you wrote-: "I enjoyed your debate with B.M.you looked a bit unravelled when Brian asked you for proof of hinge actions."
If you think that I was unraveled, then it only demonstrates your partisan bias. I was simply disconcerted/dumbfounded that somebody could be so foolish to question the existence of hinging actions, which incontrovertibly exist.
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Post by don on May 6, 2011 18:18:42 GMT -5
Don - you wrote-: "I enjoyed your debate with B.M.you looked a bit unravelled when Brian asked you for proof of hinge actions." If you think that I was unraveled, then it only demonstrates your partisan bias. I was simply disconcerted/dumbfounded that somebody could be so foolish to question the existence of hinging actions, which incontrovertibly exist. Jeff. You never proved they do or has anyone else there's still a thousand dollars of B.M.'s money to claim. Just send the proof to B.M. like he asked in the debate and the money's yours.
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Post by spike on May 6, 2011 18:25:48 GMT -5
Jeff you did look red faced and frazzled and out of sorts in that debate, and the basketball deal was actually proving Brian's point, you can't tell when someone is trying to hit or swing.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 6, 2011 18:27:29 GMT -5
Don wrote-: "Also you wouldn't know because you don't give lessons or use a Trackman."
I don't have to be a golf instructor or use Trackman to critically evaluate a golf instructor's assertion that using a Trackman on a lesson tee identifies swing faults better than alternative approaches. I think that Trackman only eliminates "guessing" about precise clubhead path and clubface orientation values at impact, and in that sense it obviously does have value. I have still never seen Brian (or any other Trackman-based golf instructor) demonstrate that using Trackman allows him to identify, and correct, swing faults that couldn't possibly be done without Trackman.
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Post by don on May 6, 2011 18:31:59 GMT -5
Don wrote-: "Also you wouldn't know because you don't give lessons or use a Trackman." I don't have to be a golf instructor or use Trackman to critically evaluate a golf instructor's assertion that using a Trackman on a lesson tee identifies swing faults better than alternative approaches. I think that Trackman only eliminates "guessing" about precise clubhead path and clubface orientation values at impact, and in that sense it obviously does have value. I have still never seen Brian (or any other Trackman-based golf instructor) demonstrate that using Trackman allows him to identify, and correct, swing faults that couldn't possibly be done without Trackman. Jeff. Take a lesson from Brian. He'd probably do it for free. You think Brian is lying or Kevin or Mike Jacobs their all lying about using Trackman to help them identify and correct faults in golfer's and the golfer's are been scammed. Wow your in denial big time. I'm done.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 6, 2011 18:32:21 GMT -5
Spike,
I was red-faced and frazzled because of Brian's relentless/boorish filibustering tactics.
You may not be able to tell when a golfer is trying to swing or hit, but you cannot rationally conclude that it applies to all observers. You demonstrate your ignorance when you come to firm conclusions based on partisanly-biased opinions.
Jeff.
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Post by spike on May 6, 2011 18:37:18 GMT -5
You cannot rationally conclude there is anyone who can, it's faith based not fact based. And again you use insults. That's funny you are more biased than anyone here in your opinions. I know one thing I can tell when someone's frazzled and red-faced.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 6, 2011 18:40:44 GMT -5
Don wrote-: "Take a lesson from Brian. He'd probably do it for free."
I would never take a lesson from Brian - even if he payed me to undertake the lesson.
Don wrote-: "You think Brian is lying or Kevin or Mike Jacobs their all lying about using Trackman to help them identify and correct faults in golfer's and the golfer's are been scammed."
That's a ridiculous statement! Of course, I don't disbelieve the fact that Brian/Mike believe that Trackman has great value in their assessment of a golfer's swing faults. However, their personal belief doesn't constitute proof! I still have not seen any golf instructor demonstrate that they can accurately identify, and remedy, an individual golfer's swing faults - primarily due to their use of Trackman. However, it can certainly make the process easier because one doesn't have "guesstimate" the clubhead path and clubface orientation values at impact.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 6, 2011 18:44:17 GMT -5
Spike - you wrote-: "You cannot rationally conclude there is anyone who can, it's faith based not fact based."
I will give you 10:1 odds ($1,000 versus $100) that I can prove that TGM hitting and hinging actions can exist?
Jeff.
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Post by don on May 6, 2011 18:49:15 GMT -5
That's only because you refuse to go and find out. Also no one said PRIMARILY due to, that's a habit of yours and Richie pointed it out the other day, you add in things that the other poster/s never said. There's more variables than the one's you mentioned and in conjunction with a qualified instructor it's waaaaayyyy better than guessing where to loooookk.
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Post by spike on May 6, 2011 18:53:45 GMT -5
Spike - you wrote-: "You cannot rationally conclude there is anyone who can, it's faith based not fact based." I will give you 10:1 odds ($1,000 versus $100) that I can prove that TGM hitting and hinging actions can exist? Jeff. Not can, do exist, provide visual proof of the clubface changing orientation for the various Hinge actions in the zone like Brian asked for in the debate.
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Post by spike on May 6, 2011 18:55:10 GMT -5
If you could you would have by now.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 6, 2011 18:55:21 GMT -5
Don - you wrote-: "There's more variables than the one's you mentioned and in conjunction with a qualified instructor it's waaaaayyyy better than guessing where to loooookk."
That's a nonsensical statement.
A rational golf instructor knows where to look when trying to assess the clubhead path and clubface orientation at impact - when analysing a Casio-based (or Konica SwingVision-based) slow motion swing video. The only problem is that his "looking" is obviously not going to be as precisely accurate as Trackman readings - when it comes to accurately establishing the clubhead path and clubface orientation at impact.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 6, 2011 18:58:14 GMT -5
Spike - you wrote-: "Not can, do exist, provide visual proof of the clubface changing orientation for the various Hinge actions in the zone like Brian asked for in the debate."
You cannot have watched the debate very carefully - because I never asserted that hinging actions can change clubface orientation at impact. I only asserted that hinging actions exist in the followthrough phase of the swing.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on May 6, 2011 19:01:15 GMT -5
Spike - you wrote-: "If you could you would have by now."
Useless comment!
Why don't you accept my 10:1 odds challenge that I can prove that TGM hitting exists?
Jeff.
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